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Topic: b9fx

Message 1 / 17
MarkMay 20, 2015
 
 
Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com has had a fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.

I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.

Cheers
Mark

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Mark


​​

 
<<<<   10408   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 2 / 17
George StillMay 20, 2015
 
 
Hmmm, yes, that will do it.  Maybe a bit too easy (I just saved the picture), but easy.

On 20 May 2015 at 14:25, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 

Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com has had a fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.

I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.

Cheers
Mark

--

Mark


​​



 
<<<<   10409   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 3 / 17
Tony BaechlerMay 21, 2015
 
 
Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

 
<<<<   10410   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 4 / 17
Amro BilalMay 21, 2015
 
 
Hello Tony and all,
I am registered blind too and recognising a picture is no good for me either.
Kind regards,
Amro

Sent from my iPhone

On 21 May 2015, at 8:26 am, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed.  I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself.  I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case.  I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution.  I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access.  The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway.  I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:


Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.

I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.

Cheers
Mark

--

Mark


​​





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mailto:tony.baechler@...


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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 5 / 17
MarkMay 21, 2015
 
 
I am sorry for being stupid.
Perhaps you can suggest a better solution...

On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>

--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...



--

Mark



 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 6 / 17
Tony BaechlerMay 21, 2015
 
 
I was not refering to you in particular, but people in general. The usual
solution seems to be something like a word problem or a simple math problem,
like this:

one plus two equals a single number

They enter the single digit in a form and it authenticates. That so far
seems to avoid the problem with robots. Then you would need some kind of
web form and auth system. I have no good answer for that.

Alternatively, you could have people write off list and ask for access
information and you could create user accounts.

Again, I am not singling you out in particular, but I have noticed this
trend of making people see a picture has become much more common in recent
times, even though OCR can defeat it, thus making the effort wasted. I am
sorry for picking on you especially.

On 5/21/2015 2:32 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> I am sorry for being stupid.
> Perhaps you can suggest a better solution...
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@...
> <mailto:tony.baechler@...> [just-a-minute]
> <just-a-minute@... <mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:
>
> __
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
> having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
> blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
> apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
> saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
> reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
> prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
> see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
> really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
> know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
> same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
>
> On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com>
> <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> > brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
> >
> > I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> > credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> > impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ​​
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 7 / 17
Amro BilalMay 21, 2015
 
 

Hi Mark,

 

I can ask on your behalf on an access related emailing list such as access-uk@... or you could join and pop the question yourself?

 

If you’d like me to ask on your behalf could you please send me what you’re trying to do. I’ll probably just copy and paste...

 

Sorry I don’t have any solutions to offer myself.

 

Best,

Amro

 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:32 AM
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: b9fx
 


I am sorry for being stupid.
Perhaps you can suggest a better solution...

On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sirnylon@...'); [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>

--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tony.baechler@...');



--

Mark



 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 8 / 17
PaulMay 21, 2015
 
 
Tony,

I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?

Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...


------------------------------------
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 9 / 17
James R CurryMay 21, 2015
 
 
Could some Alt Text just be added to the picture with the information in it?

That would work, right?

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
Tony,

I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?

Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed.  I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself.  I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case.  I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution.  I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access.  The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway.  I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...


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<<<<   10417   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 10 / 17
PaulMay 21, 2015
 
 

That is what I would have thought James, but was unsure if Screen Readers pick up on that info.

 

Paul

 

From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 16:24
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

 




Could some Alt Text just be added to the picture with the information in it?

 

That would work, right?

 

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

Tony,

I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?

Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed.  I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself.  I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case.  I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution.  I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access.  The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway.  I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...


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<<<<   10419   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 11 / 17
MarkMay 21, 2015
 
 
Hi, jamfans.

The main reason I used an image with embedded text was to prevent search engines scraping the text and indexing it. 

The page also lacks alt tags and relevant page description for the same reason.

The domain I put it on was also intended to harbour no connection to our programme's name. 

The fact that the login info does not refer to the actual location of the jar is not accidental either.

It's also why the sig at the bottom of my emails is also composed of an image rather than text.

If I put the credential info on the web in plain text or with alt tags, it would be effectively shining a spotlight onto it, and make it turn up in web searches.

I have no wish to make anyone's life more difficult - including my own. So, as I said: does anyone have a better idea - one that I don't have to pay for or spend hours maintaining?  What about we form a society and each contribute a little to fund an account on a file storage site?

I'm already getting slightly annoyed emails from my web host suggesting that the 15GB consumed by the jar is not in line with their 'fair use' policy, and they have removed my domains from their backup schedule. 

Regards

Mark

On 21 May 2015 at 23:48, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 

Tony,

I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?

Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>

--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

------------------------------------
Posted by: Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...>
------------------------------------


 
--

Mark


 
<<<<   10421   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 12 / 17
Tony BaechlerMay 22, 2015
 
 
Hello,

First, yes, alt tags are very useful to screen readers. They do read the
tags and at least I get a rough idea of what the picture is supposed to be
about. However, as Mark says, robots, search engines, etc can also read
those tags, effectively defeating the purpose. That is why I suggested
setting up a web-based authentication system with a form requiring the
solution to a basic word problem. The idea would be that a page listing the
available episodes would come up after the word problem is solved.

There are services out there which attempt to play audio codes for those who
can't see the image, but the problem is that the audio is so garbled that
it's hard to understand. I'll definitely give this a think and let the
group know if I come up with anything. Perhaps Mark is right that the best
thing to do is contribute a small amount of money for a storage account.
Amazon S3 comes to mind, but that has its own access issues. I could
possibly host them if all else fails, but I worry about the bandwidth and
legal issues. There would still be a login system of some sort, such as a
private ftp account.

Mark, out of curiosity, how much bandwidth does the jar use per month?

On 5/21/2015 6:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
>
> Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
> Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
>
> On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
>> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>>
>> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
>> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
>> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> ​​
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------------
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>
> ------------------------------------
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>
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>
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Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
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<<<<   10422   >>>>

Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 13 / 17
MarkMay 22, 2015
 
 
Hi Tony et al.
 
CAPTCHA etc will not help. I am not worried about robot spammers. 
I am worried about sapient humans seeking downloads they disapprove of.
Turing tests are not relevant.

With my web host, downloads are not metered. Your host might think differently. 

Downloads from the jar during the last "peak" period (when episodes were being broadcast during season 71) added up to 42GB (42,000 MB from 1,936 shows) in March 2015.

Offpeak downloads (when the show is not being broadcast) are about 400MB a month.

Setting up password protection of a download site is trivial. The problem is determining which applicant is an innocent marmalade lover, and which is a corporate copyright researcher.

How would you reliably detect an agent of the aunt?

I have found, in brief, that preventing unauthorised access to a download source is not possible.
Protecting the anonymity of the uploader/account holder (and being able to put the lid on the jar and and walk away) is the only option.

PS. If you reply via this group, PLEASE be discreet. For indiscreet posts, email me directly.
Posts to Yahoo Groups are NOT PRIVATE and can be searched by anyone with five brain cells and Google.

Do not blather on about the name of our favourite radio programme, my domains' names or the nickname of my site. 
Preferably don't even mention the three-letter name of the aunt.

Sigh. I miss the days when this was just a harmless and helpful bunch of chums who appreciated a radio show. 
Recently, it has become much less fun.
 
Some Privacy Tips

- Anonymous and disposable email addresses can be instantly found at mailinator.com.  No registration/payment needed. Excellent when you need to give an email contact to an unknown/suspicious entity (e.g. registering for a forum, seller). There are aliases you can use if a site rejects mailinator.com email addresses.

- Use a proxy to disguise your IP address. I use privateinternetaccess.com. Costs about $35 a year, which is good value. (This is not a paid advertisement). Use their SOCKS5 proxy to disguise your IP address when downloading torrents; use their app to cloak your other internet traffic (e.g. to watch region-restricted youtube videos or iplayer shows, and hide your search history. You can select which country you appear to come from). Download speeds are not much affected by turning on the proxy.

- Apart from professional purposes, if you're still using your real name in forums (like this), stop it. Giving any identifiable personal info online is risky nowadays, even if you are totally harmless and innocent. 

Mark

On Friday, May 22, 2015, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

First, yes, alt tags are very useful to screen readers. They do read the
tags and at least I get a rough idea of what the picture is supposed to be
about. However, as Mark says, robots, search engines, etc can also read
those tags, effectively defeating the purpose. That is why I suggested
setting up a web-based authentication system with a form requiring the
solution to a basic word problem. The idea would be that a page listing the
available episodes would come up after the word problem is solved.

There are services out there which attempt to play audio codes for those who
can't see the image, but the problem is that the audio is so garbled that
it's hard to understand. I'll definitely give this a think and let the
group know if I come up with anything. Perhaps Mark is right that the best
thing to do is contribute a small amount of money for a storage account.
Amazon S3 comes to mind, but that has its own access issues. I could
possibly host them if all else fails, but I worry about the bandwidth and
legal issues. There would still be a login system of some sort, such as a
private ftp account.

Mark, out of curiosity, how much bandwidth does the jar use per month?

On 5/21/2015 6:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
>
> Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
> Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
>
> On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
>> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>>
>> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
>> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
>> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...


 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 14 / 17
Espen KrømkeMay 22, 2015
 
 
Regarding all these security measures surrounding the JAM files: Is this even warranted? I mean, have anyone ever received anything from a BBC lawyer or someone else on their behalf because of some shared JAM-files?

I've had my Just A Minute stream server running non-stop for years now
http://stream.beatradar.no/

It's listed "everywhere" on Internet radio services, I've even linked to BBC Radio 4 on the streams open Facebook page, and have never ever heard anything, good or bad, from BBC about this.
https://www.facebook.com/jammerstreamserver

I'm just not so sure if we all just now make this a bigger issue than what really it is.


 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 15 / 17
Don JudgeMay 22, 2015
 
 
Aaaah - the joys of the free-for-all Internet eh?
Then people wanted to make money out of it and the accountants got involved, what a shame...


From: "Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Friday, 22 May 2015, 2:39
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

 
Hi, jamfans.

The main reason I used an image with embedded text was to prevent search engines scraping the text and indexing it. 

The page also lacks alt tags and relevant page description for the same reason.

The domain I put it on was also intended to harbour no connection to our programme's name. 

The fact that the login info does not refer to the actual location of the jar is not accidental either.

It's also why the sig at the bottom of my emails is also composed of an image rather than text.

If I put the credential info on the web in plain text or with alt tags, it would be effectively shining a spotlight onto it, and make it turn up in web searches.

I have no wish to make anyone's life more difficult - including my own. So, as I said: does anyone have a better idea - one that I don't have to pay for or spend hours maintaining?  What about we form a society and each contribute a little to fund an account on a file storage site?

I'm already getting slightly annoyed emails from my web host suggesting that the 15GB consumed by the jar is not in line with their 'fair use' policy, and they have removed my domains from their backup schedule. 

Regards

Mark

On 21 May 2015 at 23:48, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 
Tony,

I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?

Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx

Hello,

I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.

On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
> ​​
>
>
>

--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

------------------------------------
Posted by: Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...>
------------------------------------


 
--

Mark




 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 16 / 17
goluxgoluxMay 24, 2015
 
 
Yes Espen, I have received Take Down Notices and Cease & Desist Notices for uploading old Just A MInute episodes to various file-sharing sites. Where the objector was identified it was a guy in a firm in California, there was no explanation for his intervention other than that he had identified copyright violation; I never saw any sign that he was an agent of the BBC or Audiogo.  Having been kicked off several file-sharing sites for sharing my OTR collection, I now share by uploading individual files, on request, to Zippyshare where their stay is temporary. I have not given up on sharing my collection though, some day I will find a way to share the whole lot.

I have long been puzzled (and grateful) that your excellent stream does not fall foul of the authorities.  Maybe because you do not offer downloads, only streaming?  Maybe because there is no big wealthy yet vulnerable organisation behind you which they could profitably attack? 

I am just glad you get away with it, your Jammer stream has kept me entertained most days for the last 3 years!

cheers
Golux

 
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Topic: Re: b9fx

Message 17 / 17
Espen KrømkeMay 26, 2015
 
 
On 24. mai 2015 21:48, golux@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
 

Yes Espen, I have received Take Down Notices and Cease & Desist Notices for uploading old Just A MInute episodes to various file-sharing sites. Where the objector was identified it was a guy in a firm in California, there was no explanation for his intervention other than that he had identified copyright violation; I never saw any sign that he was an agent of the BBC or Audiogo. [...] I have not given up on sharing my collection though, some day I will find a way to share the whole lot.


Aha - well in that case I stand corrected and very well understand the precautions being made. I should have assumed it was so. :)

Well, if things turn tricky I could always offer disk space on that JAM streamer server. I both own and host the physical machine so there's no restrictions with storage space or service providers.
At least that's a backup solution if needed. I'll of course give Mark write access to it. Or, for that matter, you. As long as it's shared for the whole community I'm willing to offer the physical means required.

I have long been puzzled (and grateful) that your excellent stream does not fall foul of the authorities.  Maybe because you do not offer downloads, only s! treaming?  Maybe because there is no big wealthy yet vulnerable organisation behind you which they could profitably attack? 

I am just glad you get away with it, your Jammer stream has kept me entertained most days for the last 3 years!

Thanks! Yeah it's not kept a secret in any way, so you are probably right that it's not BBC but rather fortune hunters who do these takedown notices?



 
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