On 20 May 2015 at 14:25, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com has had a fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.CheersMark--Mark
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatalbrain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar logincredentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community withoutimpeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.CheersMark--Mark
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Have a good day,
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On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
On 5/21/2015 2:32 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> I am sorry for being stupid.
> Perhaps you can suggest a better solution...
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2015, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@...
> <mailto:tony.baechler@...> [just-a-minute]
> <just-a-minute@... <mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:
>
> __
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
> having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
> blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
> apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
> saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
> reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
> prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
> see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
> really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
> know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
> same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
>
> On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com>
> <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> > brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
> >
> > I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> > credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> > impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
Hi Mark,
I can ask on your behalf on an access related emailing list such as access-uk@... or you could join and pop the question yourself?
If you’d like me to ask on your behalf could you please send me what you’re trying to do. I’ll probably just copy and paste...
Sorry I don’t have any solutions to offer myself.
Best,
Amro
Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean
having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally
blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I
apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about
saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to
reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the
prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can
see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The
really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I
know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the
same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sirnylon@...'); [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a fatal
> brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar login
> credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the community without
> impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tony.baechler@...');
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
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On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:Tony,
I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
Paul------------------------------------
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From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
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That is what I would have thought James, but was unsure if Screen Readers pick up on that info.
Paul
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 16:24
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
Could some Alt Text just be added to the picture with the information in it?
That would work, right?
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
Tony,
I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
Paul
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From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
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On 21 May 2015 at 23:48, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:--Tony,
I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
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Posted by: Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...>
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Mark
On 5/21/2015 6:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
>
> Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
> Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
>
> On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
>> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>>
>> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
>> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
>> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>
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Hello,
First, yes, alt tags are very useful to screen readers. They do read the
tags and at least I get a rough idea of what the picture is supposed to be
about. However, as Mark says, robots, search engines, etc can also read
those tags, effectively defeating the purpose. That is why I suggested
setting up a web-based authentication system with a form requiring the
solution to a basic word problem. The idea would be that a page listing the
available episodes would come up after the word problem is solved.
There are services out there which attempt to play audio codes for those who
can't see the image, but the problem is that the audio is so garbled that
it's hard to understand. I'll definitely give this a think and let the
group know if I come up with anything. Perhaps Mark is right that the best
thing to do is contribute a small amount of money for a storage account.
Amazon S3 comes to mind, but that has its own access issues. I could
possibly host them if all else fails, but I worry about the bandwidth and
legal issues. There would still be a login system of some sort, such as a
private ftp account.
Mark, out of curiosity, how much bandwidth does the jar use per month?
On 5/21/2015 6:48 AM, 'Paul' groups@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
>
> Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
> Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
>
> On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
>> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>>
>> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
>> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
>> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>
Tony,
I don't and have never used a screen reader programme, so please forgive this question if it is ignorant in any way. I do write a blog and include images in almost every post I upload and include alt tags and descriptive text in the meta tags for the images. Would this kind of info help with this kind of problem for your screen reader programme?
Again apologies for "teaching granny to suck eggs" type question
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
Sent: 21 May 2015 08:27
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] b9fx
Hello,
I'm not sure what you mean by simplifying the process, but if you mean having someone look at a picture, I am rather disappointed. I am totally blind and that is rather impossible for some of us such as myself. I apologise if I am mistaken here, but based on another post commenting about saving the picture, I'm assuming that's the case. I would ask you to reconsider this and find a better solution. I am really tired of the prevailing attitude nowadays that all people can see, therefore anyone can see the picture, therefore make them look at a picture to get access. The really stupid thing is that any good OCR program can defeat this anyway. I know because I've had to use such software on a number of sites with the same stupid, non-inclusive thinking.
On 5/20/2015 6:25 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> Hi all. The myBB software running b9fx.com <http://b9fx.com> has had a
> fatal brain fart and has generated 400 error messages (so far) today.
>
> I've decided to dramatically simplify the dissemination of Jam Jar
> login credentials on the site. I hope it will still serve the
> community without impeding the discreet spreading of the JAM.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
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Yes Espen, I have received Take Down Notices and Cease & Desist Notices for uploading old Just A MInute episodes to various file-sharing sites. Where the objector was identified it was a guy in a firm in California, there was no explanation for his intervention other than that he had identified copyright violation; I never saw any sign that he was an agent of the BBC or Audiogo. [...] I have not given up on sharing my collection though, some day I will find a way to share the whole lot.
Aha - well in that case I stand corrected and very well understand the precautions being made. I should have assumed it was so. :)
Well, if things turn tricky I could always offer disk space on that JAM streamer server. I both own and host the physical machine so there's no restrictions with storage space or service providers.
At least that's a backup solution if needed. I'll of course give Mark write access to it. Or, for that matter, you. As long as it's shared for the whole community I'm willing to offer the physical means required.
I have long been puzzled (and grateful) that your excellent stream does not fall foul of the authorities. Maybe because you do not offer downloads, only s! treaming? Maybe because there is no big wealthy yet vulnerable organisation behind you which they could profitably attack?
I am just glad you get away with it, your Jammer stream has kept me entertained most days for the last 3 years!
Thanks! Yeah it's not kept a secret in any way, so you are probably right that it's not BBC but rather fortune hunters who do these takedown notices?
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