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Topic: The end of the binge

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MarkMar 4, 2017
 

 

 
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Topic: Re: The end of the binge

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AmroMar 5, 2017
 

 
So that was about 20 days worth of JAM if you listened continuously! I've only listened to the recent years of JAM plus few old episodes so perhaps I'm not in a position to add much to this entertaining account, but, I'd agree with most of what you said particularly the bit about Paul and, dare I say it, what you said about Nicholas! I still find Gyles's (triggers) funny though, like when he goes on about losing the election.

I think I only heard Aimi MacDonald in two episodes and I thought she was alright. Maybe I should dig up more episodes where she appeared.

Amro

 
On 05/03/2017 06:46 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] wrote:

Hi, JamFans

I've just finished listening to all 875 JAMs from 1967 to 2016.

I realise now that I should have been recording historic firsts and landmarks as I went through them all - e.g. first uninterrupted minute, first challenge for repetition of "B" in "BBC", largest number of uninterrupted minutes per episode, first time a newbie won a game, first 'bonus point', etc. 

I know Dean often marks special moments - such as players' first and last appearances - in his transcripts, but I'm not sure if there is already a list of milestones as mentioned above.

If Dean has not already done it, perhaps we can divvy up the decades and make it a community project...

Random notes:

Apologies in advance if these sound overly-picky. Listening to years of shows in a continuous stream tends to consolidate players' annoying habits in one's consciousness... just like camping with your loved one in a two-person tent for two weeks tends to amplify EVERY DAMNED ANNOYING thing that they do that USED TO BE charming and quirky and is now ARGHHHHH! JUST STOP IT ALREADY!

- Will Self really rubbed me up the wrong way, and I think he really started to irritate Nicholas with his pedantic, unfunny and overly-competitive carping. Esther Rantzen is very similar, but she must have been much worse off-mike for Paul to loathe her as much as he did.

- In terms of petty and unfunny annoyance, Will was only overshadowed by Wendy Richard with her incessant whining about Clement's lists and her one-track commentary about her damned pets. It's no wonder Paul had her black-balled.

- My 'Most Valuable Player Of All Time Award' must go to Kenneth Williams. His unpredictable magma of erudition, outrage, vanity, urbanity, cheekiness and thinly-veiled obscenity was always compulsive listening. He always teetered on the edge of letters to the editor, but always managed to recoil as an innocent lamb, misunderstood and poorly treated.  "Kick me as you pass". Classic.

- A close second as MVP is Paul Merton, who ensures there is a skilled player and on-stage director who knows how to pace a show (e.g. by stepping back to let a talented newbie shine, or to ramp up his performance when things are dragging), and to gently intervene to guide decisions and proceedings when Nicholas loses the plot (not a rare occurrence). I think only Paul knows how to be an actual director for Old Nick, since the Beeb would be scared to upset their aged talent's feelings.

- NICHOLAS PARSONS ADMIRERS - SPOILERS FOLLOW... YOU MIGHT WANT TO SKIP THIS POINT.

- It's worrying how often Nick quickly agrees with an invalid challenge, only to immediately, transparently, and decisively reverse his opinion when another player (or the audience) indicates how incorrect the challenge was. e.g. 

Player 1: He said "hat" twice.

NP: Yes indeed. He said "hat" more than once. So that was a correct challenge to-

Player 2: But wasn't it "hat" and then "hats"?

Player 1: O yes...

NP: 'Hat' and 'Hats'. Two different words. Indeed. Incorrect challenge... Singular and plural. Yes. A common mistake for beginners. So, an incorrect challenge means one point to-

Nick's decisions are more a matter of luck and whim than good management. One egregious case was when Will Self said that Jack Kerouac typed his novel 'On the Road' using a continuous roll of paper instead of separate sheets of paper. Nick disdainfully (even contemptuously) rejected the statement - in spite of the fact that Will was completely correct. 

I know it's harsh to say this, but - to me - Nick's earnest and pompous belief in his own talent and genius is one of the funniest aspects of the show that no-one is willing to acknowledge out loud. 

At times you can hear the palpable intake of breath by players, audience, and listeners around the world  after Nick says something really silly or unfunny.

It grates on me whenever Nick says something banal that he thinks is witty and concludes with "Right" to give the audience time to laugh - which they never do. The pregnant silence afterwards is always filled with the distant chirping of crickets and rolling tumbleweeds.

It has just dawned on me - Nicholas Parsons is a real-life Alan Partridge.

AND WE'RE BACK! 

- One of my personal "Oh! Goody! He's back" performers is Julian Clary. Like Humph on Clue, he can utter the most outrageous 1.5 entendres with the gravity of a statesman and make listeners guffaw when they eventually realise what's going on. Julian is far more clever than many people care to acknowledge.

- Sue Perkins is always welcome, as is Graham Norton. They never grow stale.

- Tony Hawks can be fun when he's not preoccupied with petty (albeit valid) arguments about earning points instead of providing wit and entertainment. Paul knows when a bad decision has been made against him, but the time is not right to pursue it. You can often hear Paul mentally back off a challenge because it's no longer funny or worthwhile, and that winning a point is pointless. Tony sometimes seems to forget that JAM points do not mean prizes. 

Clement was the primary predator in the JAM pond, yet even he sensed when it was time to back off his aggression for the sake of the show (e.g. making ridiculous but funny challenges to give points to other players to even up the scores.) Tony also understands this eventually, but it it sometimes it takes more time than it should.

- There should be a law announced in the Green Room before every show that no player - under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE - is to speak French on the show, because it guarantees to set Nicholas off in his long mock-French performance which embarrasses most of the panel and audience who speak French.

A similar warning should apply for mentioning Scotland which brings on Nick's "I worked on the Clyde for five years as an engineer" accent, which always brings proceedings to an anvil-dropping stop.

Or mentioning Hollywood to Paul.

Or cults to Kenny.

There are multiple-triggers for Gyles - I cringe at his frequent tired references to: Hamlet/omelette, nod to a blind horse, porn mackintosh, first wife, voters rejecting him, Ophelia Balls, etc.

- I'm also weary of the routine where a player buzzes him/herself, gets a point, keeps the subject etc. They've been playing this routine for years as a new and funny gimmick. It's not. I wish Nick would just quickly dismiss as he does repetitions of "and" and "I" etc.  

On a similar score, challenges to repetition of "B" in "BBC" began decades ago with Clement and is now just a dull and dry cliche that just gets in the way.

- Jenny Eclair is a regular player, usually when the 'A-listers' are not available. Jenny is enthusiastic and hard-working but I have not seen her in any other substantial comedic or dramatic role (being Australian I may have missed her doing meaty work on Brit TV or radio) and her contributions are competent rather than sparkling and memorable. I hope Jenny is not a subscriber to this list, but she seems to be an eager yet unremarkable stocking-filler for a panel. She's the rice in a deliciously tasty meal.  Sorry, Jenny.

- It's a shame that Kenny Everett never became a regular on the show. He could have been amazing, given time and a firm directorial hand.

- Sheila Hancock - the longest-serving surviving contestant is still the naughtiest. She has reached the point where she no longer has any time or consideration for the vanities and posturings of fools.  She has uttered more 'buggers' and 'bastards' than any other player, but because she is mature and dignified the words bounce off the critics. She is a confident, caustic delight. I yearn to become her as I age.

- For a long time I assumed that - along with Gyles - that Kit Hesketh-Harvey was gay. Apparently I was wrong. Then Gyles keeps mentioning things like being "Tommy Two-Ways". JAM producers seem to have a rule that every panel needs at least one male player who is gay or at least sounds gay. 

- It took a while for me to truly appreciate the spice that Peter Jones contributed to the show. He was a terrible speaker within the constraints of the show (just as Derek Nimmo was a weird choice as a competitor, considering his stutter) but each of them had value to compensate for their obvious deficiencies. Peter's genius was a brilliant two-second quip just as a subject was ending. 

- For me, Derek was a rather painful blatherskite - a pompous balloon of pretentious Liverpudlian hot air. His endless toe-wiggling and nursery stories were fey and fake.

- I don't care what anyone says. I enjoyed the Lovely Aimi Macdonald. She knew her part in the show, and played it consistently brilliantly - even if she knew she was underestimated as a thinker or a performer. She knew how to work in JAM and did it as a consummate professional.

- Ross Noble, like many other great live performers, does not thrive under the rules of JAM. He does his best, but - like all good storytellers and jokesters - he's gagged and straitjacketed by the artificial constraints of the game. It's such a tragedy whenever a player tries to tell a classic joke or limerick or sing a funny song because it has to be mangled beyond funniness to survive a challenge. 

I wish the BBC had a sister-programme called "Just A Joke" where JAM players could get on air and deliver their funniest jokes just to get it out of their systems. I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue has recently had segments where players just tell jokes, and that is the funniest bit of the whole programme. I don't understand why there isn't a regular program where funny people can just tell classic jokes in their own individual way.  
Dear BBC - you can send me an invoice, for I now own the concept.

- Graham Norton is a treasure. It's amazing how he can side-slip into whimsical and parenthetical comments to eat up time yet retain the flow of the narrative and keep the audience's attention. He's a natural storyteller and verbal marvel. He could lecture at Oxford on The Use of Voice in Radio. And of course, he's a master of the use of complementary facial expression - but this tends to work better on TV.

- I love Liza Tarbuck's voice, even if I keep mistaking her for Sue Perkins.

Feel free to disagree. 

Disagreement is where the real fun begins.

Mark

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Topic: Re: The end of the binge

Message 3 / 4
izandalMar 5, 2017
 

 
I would agree that Aimi learned quickly and could be quite clever. I find myself looking
forward to hearing her when I listen to the older episodes.

As for Clement's lists, I passed through the stage of annoyance to wondering how long he
could keep it up before he got bored with his own trope.

Pam

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>
>
>
> So that was about 20 days worth of JAM if you listened continuously!
> I've only listened to the
> recent years of JAM plus few old episodes so perhaps I'm not in a
> position to add much to this
> entertaining account, but, I'd agree with most of what you said
> particularly the bit about Paul and,
> dare I say it, what you said about Nicholas! I still find Gyles's
> (triggers) funny though, like when he
> goes on about losing the election.
>
> I think I only heard Aimi MacDonald in two episodes and I thought
> she was alright. Maybe I should
> dig up more episodes where she appeared.
>
> Amro
>
>  
> On 05/03/2017 06:46 AM, Mark sirnylon@... [just-a-minute]
> wrote:
> Hi, JamFans
>
> I've just finished listening to all 875 JAMs from 1967 to 2016.
>
> I realise now that I should have been recording historic firsts
> and landmarks as I went
> through them all - e.g. first uninterrupted minute, first
> challenge for repetition of "B" in "BBC",
> largest number of uninterrupted minutes per episode, first time
> a newbie won a game, first
> 'bonus point', etc. 
>
> I know Dean often marks special moments - such as players' first
> and last appearances - in
> his transcripts, but I'm not sure if there is already a list of
> milestones as mentioned above.
> If Dean has not already done it, perhaps we can divvy up the
> decades and make it a
> community project...
>
> Random notes:
>
> Apologies in advance if these sound overly-picky. Listening to
> years of shows in a
> continuous stream tends to consolidate players' annoying habits
> in one's consciousness...
> just like camping with your loved one in a two-person tent for
> two weeks tends to amplify
> EVERY DAMNED ANNOYING thing that they do that USED TO BE
> charming and quirky
> and is now ARGHHHHH! JUST STOP IT ALREADY!
>
> - Will Self really rubbed me up the wrong way, and I think he
> really started to irritate
> Nicholas with his pedantic, unfunny and overly-competitive
> carping. Esther Rantzen is very
> similar, but she must have been much worse off-mike for Paul to
> loathe her as much as he
> did.
>
> - In terms of petty and unfunny annoyance, Will was only
> overshadowed by Wendy Richard
> with her incessant whining about Clement's lists and her
> one-track commentary about her
> damned pets. It's no wonder Paul had her black-balled.
>
> - My 'Most Valuable Player Of All Time Award' must go to Kenneth
> Williams. His
> unpredictable magma of erudition, outrage, vanity, urbanity,
> cheekiness and thinly-veiled
> obscenity was always compulsive listening. He always teetered on
> the edge of letters to the
> editor, but always managed to recoil as an innocent lamb,
> misunderstood and poorly
> treated.  "Kick me as you pass". Classic.
>
> - A close second as MVP is Paul Merton, who ensures there is a
> skilled player and
> on-stage director who knows how to pace a show (e.g. by stepping
> back to let a talented
> newbie shine, or to ramp up his performance when things are
> dragging), and to gently
> intervene to guide decisions and proceedings when Nicholas loses
> the plot (not a rare
> occurrence). I think only Paul knows how to be an actual
> director for Old Nick, since the
> Beeb would be scared to upset their aged talent's feelings.
>
> - NICHOLAS PARSONS ADMIRERS - SPOILERS FOLLOW... YOU MIGHT WANT
> TO
> SKIP THIS POINT.
>
> - It's worrying how often Nick quickly agrees with an invalid
> challenge, only to immediately,
> transparently, and decisively reverse his opinion when another
> player (or the audience)
> indicates how incorrect the challenge was. e.g. 
>
> Player 1: He said "hat" twice.
> NP: Yes indeed. He said "hat" more than once. So that was a
> correct challenge to-
> Player 2: But wasn't it "hat" and then "hats"?
> Player 1: O yes...
> NP: 'Hat' and 'Hats'. Two different words. Indeed. Incorrect
> challenge... Singular and plural.
> Yes. A common mistake for beginners. So, an incorrect challenge
> means one point to-
>
> Nick's decisions are more a matter of luck and whim than good
> management. One
> egregious case was when Will Self said that Jack Kerouac typed
> his novel 'On the
> Road' using a continuous roll of paper instead of separate
> sheets of paper. Nick
> disdainfully (even contemptuously) rejected the statement - in
> spite of the fact that Will
> was completely correct. 
> I know it's harsh to say this, but - to me - Nick's earnest and
> pompous belief in his own
> talent and genius is one of the funniest aspects of the show
> that no-one is willing to
> acknowledge out loud. 
> At times you can hear the palpable intake of breath by players,
> audience, and listeners
> around the world  after Nick says something really silly or
> unfunny.
> It grates on me whenever Nick says something banal that he
> thinks is witty and
> concludes with "Right" to give the audience time to laugh -
> which they never do. The
> pregnant silence afterwards is always filled with the distant
> chirping of crickets and
> rolling tumbleweeds.
> It has just dawned on me - Nicholas Parsons is a real-life Alan
> Partridge.
>
> AND WE'RE BACK! 
>
> - One of my personal "Oh! Goody! He's back" performers is Julian
> Clary. Like Humph on
> Clue, he can utter the most outrageous 1.5 entendres with the
> gravity of a statesman and
> make listeners guffaw when they eventually realise what's going
> on. Julian is far more clever
> than many people care to acknowledge.
>
> - Sue Perkins is always welcome, as is Graham Norton. They never
> grow stale.
>
> - Tony Hawks can be fun when he's not preoccupied with petty
> (albeit valid) arguments
> about earning points instead of providing wit and entertainment.
> Paul knows when a bad
> decision has been made against him, but the time is not right to
> pursue it. You can often
> hear Paul mentally back off a challenge because it's no longer
> funny or worthwhile, and that
> winning a point is pointless. Tony sometimes seems to forget
> that JAM points do not mean
> prizes. 
> Clement was the primary predator in the JAM pond, yet even he
> sensed when it was time to
> back off his aggression for the sake of the show (e.g. making
> ridiculous but funny
> challenges to give points to other players to even up the
> scores.) Tony also understands this
> eventually, but it it sometimes it takes more time than it
> should.
>
> - There should be a law announced in the Green Room before every
> show that no player -
> under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE - is to speak French on the show, because
> it guarantees to
> set Nicholas off in his long mock-French performance which
> embarrasses most of the panel
> and audience who speak French.
> A similar warning should apply for mentioning Scotland which
> brings on Nick's "I worked on
> the Clyde for five years as an engineer" accent, which always
> brings proceedings to an
> anvil-dropping stop.
> Or mentioning Hollywood to Paul.
> Or cults to Kenny.
> There are multiple-triggers for Gyles - I cringe at his frequent
> tired references to:
> Hamlet/omelette, nod to a blind horse, porn mackintosh, first
> wife, voters rejecting him,
> Ophelia Balls, etc.
>
> - I'm also weary of the routine where a player buzzes
> him/herself, gets a point, keeps the
> subject etc. They've been playing this routine for years as a
> new and funny gimmick. It's not.
> I wish Nick would just quickly dismiss as he does repetitions of
> "and" and "I" etc.  
> On a similar score, challenges to repetition of "B" in "BBC"
> began decades ago with
> Clement and is now just a dull and dry cliche that just gets in
> the way.
>
> - Jenny Eclair is a regular player, usually when the 'A-listers'
> are not available. Jenny is
> enthusiastic and hard-working but I have not seen her in any
> other substantial comedic or
> dramatic role (being Australian I may have missed her doing
> meaty work on Brit TV or radio)
> and her contributions are competent rather than sparkling and
> memorable. I hope Jenny is
> not a subscriber to this list, but she seems to be an eager yet
> unremarkable stocking-filler
> for a panel. She's the rice in a deliciously tasty meal. 
> Sorry, Jenny.
>
> - It's a shame that Kenny Everett never became a regular on the
> show. He could have
> been amazing, given time and a firm directorial hand.
>
> - Sheila Hancock - the longest-serving surviving contestant is
> still the naughtiest. She has
> reached the point where she no longer has any time or
> consideration for the vanities and
> posturings of fools.  She has uttered more 'buggers' and
> 'bastards' than any other player, but
> because she is mature and dignified the words bounce off the
> critics. She is a confident,
> caustic delight. I yearn to become her as I age.
>
> - For a long time I assumed that - along with Gyles - that Kit
> Hesketh-Harvey was gay.
> Apparently I was wrong. Then Gyles keeps mentioning things like
> being "Tommy
> Two-Ways". JAM producers seem to have a rule that every panel
> needs at least one male
> player who is gay or at least sounds gay. 
>
> - It took a while for me to truly appreciate the spice that
> Peter Jones contributed to the
> show. He was a terrible speaker within the constraints of the
> show (just as Derek Nimmo
> was a weird choice as a competitor, considering his stutter) but
> each of them had value to
> compensate for their obvious deficiencies. Peter's genius was a
> brilliant two-second quip
> just as a subject was ending. 
>
> - For me, Derek was a rather painful blatherskite - a pompous
> balloon of pretentious
> Liverpudlian hot air. His endless toe-wiggling and nursery
> stories were fey and fake.
>
> - I don't care what anyone says. I enjoyed the Lovely Aimi
> Macdonald. She knew her part in
> the show, and played it consistently brilliantly - even if she
> knew she was underestimated as
> a thinker or a performer. She knew how to work in JAM and did
> it as a consummate
> professional.
>
> - Ross Noble, like many other great live performers, does not
> thrive under the rules of JAM.
> He does his best, but - like all good storytellers and jokesters
> - he's gagged and
> straitjacketed by the artificial constraints of the game. It's
> such a tragedy whenever a player
> tries to tell a classic joke or limerick or sing a funny song
> because it has to be mangled
> beyond funniness to survive a challenge. 
> I wish the BBC had a sister-programme called "Just A Joke" where
> JAM players could get
> on air and deliver their funniest jokes just to get it out of
> their systems. I'm Sorry I Haven't A
> Clue has recently had segments where players just tell jokes,
> and that is the funniest bit of the
> whole programme. I don't understand why there isn't a regular
> program where funny people
> can just tell classic jokes in their own individual way.  
> Dear BBC - you can send me an invoice, for I now own the
> concept.
>
> - Graham Norton is a treasure. It's amazing how he can
> side-slip into whimsical and
> parenthetical comments to eat up time yet retain the flow of the
> narrative and keep the
> audience's attention. He's a natural storyteller and verbal
> marvel. He could lecture at Oxford
> on The Use of Voice in Radio. And of course, he's a master of
> the use of complementary
> facial expression - but this tends to work better on TV.
>
> - I love Liza Tarbuck's voice, even if I keep mistaking her for
> Sue Perkins.
>
> Feel free to disagree. 
> Disagreement is where the real fun begins.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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Topic: Re: The end of the binge

Message 4 / 4
pjfitchettMar 6, 2017
 

 
           

Some very interesting observations there Mark!

I must admit I tried a similar trawl through every episode around 8 or 9 years ago, though I began to flag around the 2003-2004 seasons, once the real core classic panellists were gone.

 

I’m not a Nick ‘admirer’ as such but I do admire his chairmanship at least. As a presenter he definitely has that knack of keeping things going, saying the right things in the right tone of voice etc. The shows where he vacated the chair were mostly an absolute shambles in my opinion. But this is the point really: Everyone should stick to their own role. Nick is not a funny man and can’t gauge humour very well, so it’s when he tries to muck in with the rest  where the problems occur. I realise that after all these years he does feel very protective over the show and of course by now he is basically the God of Jam, and he can do whatever he wants whilst he’s in that chair, but these really are the most cringeworthy parts of the show when he kicks off with any attempt at being funny. Don’t forget also nowadays, after those tumbleweed moments, his new tactic where he comes back with ‘didn’t get much of a laugh but anyway...’ or ‘which no one’s bothered about’. This is to wring out any kind of small laugh he can from the situation.

 

I’ve never been a big fan of Julian Clary, but that’s just probably personal taste. He might be a clever guy, but I don’t find his material reflects it. For me, some of it is not even innuendo, it’s just outright dirty. I’m not offended by this kind of thing, I just think if you’re going to go down that route, at least do it with clever wordplay. For me, Clue’s scripts are smart innuendo, Round The Horne was even smarter, but Clary’s material isn’t. But I know that’s a controversial view and he is very popular both here and with the listenership in general.

 

You are certainly right that both Kenneth and Paul can manhandle the show and direct it where they want, expertly driving it in the right direction. The point about backing off challenges, or carrying them on just for the sake of the show is an interesting one. For me, Kenneth’s best bits were when he wasn’t actually talking on the subject. Whereas I feel Paul can do both, his comedy when he’s left to run on the subject, but also his obstinacy and one liners in between.

 

I do find Gyles quite annoying, though is it just my imagination, or has he actually dropped a lot of his typical party pieces now?

 

I always enjoy Sheila Hancock’s contributions, though I did prefer her when she was teamed up with Kenneth. I really feel in those shows  that their obvious fondness for each other comes across, especially when he’s deliberately picking on her: ‘Now Sheila we CAN not have all these interruptions!’. She was always so good to stand her ground and give as good as she got of course until Kenneth’s cut glass accent broke and he just had to snap at her: ‘ you shut ya row!’ If there’s any awards for double acts on the show over the years I’d have to say these two appearing together were my favourite.

 

I know Peter Jones has been well discussed on this list over the years, but I really wanted to mention his general weariness and derision of the show and how important it is too. I remember one time when Steven Fry was talking and Peter actually just began chattering to him and offering ideas, actually during the minute! Or in a similar programme when Peter buzzed with the challenge of: ‘I didn’t hear the last bit’. Nicholas was right on this occasion with: ‘you play this game differently to everyone else Peter’.

 

I must agree with your opinions on Derek. When talking on the subject, he was hardly what I would call entertaining, and even in between times he was quite dull. Obviously a very well educated man, but considering he was on the show for 30 years plus, and I can’t remember one really funny moment of his, it’s a bit of a shame. The only thing I remember more about him was his harsh bating of Nick. This seemed sometimes to be a bit nastier than it should’ve been. It certainly prompted Nick to assert in his little commentary after Derek’s death, and countless times in his book that this teasing from Derek was ‘always in jest of course’. So many times in fact that I began to feel he was trying to convince himself more than anyone else.

 

You are probably right that Aimi Macdonald’s performances on jam, as they were on everything else, were playing to her strengths of being dizzy and dopey, but even if she was putting on a very clever act, she’s still extremely annoying with it.

 

Apart from these observations Mark, I wonder if you have a favourite show, or round from all of them? What about a favourite decade, or typical panel? I know these questions are probably already included in dean’s questionnaire he has up, but I was interested now you’re fresh from your long journey.

 

Cheers, Phil