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Re: New CDs JAM the Golden Collection

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danabel1Sep 8, 2017

I'm going to assume thats an honest question, and I'll give you an honest answer, as you asked.

Respectfully, if you have not, take some time to read about the damage that rape and child abuse causes.

I spent a few years of my youth supporting someone who was facing up to the traumatic events in their childhood. It's selfish, violent choice and inserts poison into life.

To hear that Clement, someone who featured on a show I learnt so much from, and loved, was a perpetrator of these crimes makes me feel sick. Yes. I liked him. I do not now.

When I hear the comradery on the old episodes, I ask, did they know? Did they suspect? And if so what was with that? I can't recommend old episodes to friends.

There is an answer. If you reply, bear in mind I'm still angry, not at you or this group but at the perpetrators of abuse and rape. I am shocked that a rapist and child abuser can be considered just a 'bounder' or a 'cad' rather than a vile person and a criminal, but I'm sesnsitive. I doubt I'm long for this list, er?

---In just-a-minute@..., <tallguy403@...> wrote :

It seems so odd to me how at one time, everyone lauded Sir Clement on his knowledge and the ability to play the game so brilliantly -- and he was on the show for over 40 years, so someone must have liked him; even some in this very group! -- and yet today, no one is even permitted to say his name!

Oh, what a capricious lot we are!!

Re: New CDs JAM the Golden Collection

Posted by: "nylon" sirnylon@... nylonchoo

Date: Wed Sep 6, 2017 7:20 pm ((PDT))

I know Clement was a bounder and a cad, but it also irks me how the BBC may

be embarking on a revisionist program that Stalin would have been proud of.

If *every* celebrity's most vile sins and crimes came to light, the BBC

archives would be full of nothing but spider webs and tumbleweeds.

Sometimes grown-ups need to accept that people can do terrible things, but

they can still be remembered for the non-terrible things they contributed.

Simply remembering the work of a miscreant does not mean you approve of

their sins.

Re-writing history and erasing entire life-works seems to me to be a

childish over-reaction.

2 cents worth.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James R Curry scratchy@...

[just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

> I noticed that too and was thinking about it.

> My conclusion was that the release is absolutely going to have to include

> Clement, because he was in so much of the early stuff that it would

> probably compromise the quality to be forced to pick episodes from which he

> was absent.

> But Clement is excluded from the blurb (Except for "And many others")

> because they definitely don't want to give the impression that they're

> celebrating the man.

> It's a weird, awful situation and I think this was the right choice by the

> BBC. I'm genuinely happy for these releases, just because there's so much

> great work by the other performers.

> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Dean Bedford dbedford@...

> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

>> although have just noticed it says it includes a 1968 show - so Clement

>> must be in there

>> On 07 September 2017 at 08:24 "Dean Bedford dbedford@...

>> [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

>> the blurb there omits Clement - looks like they may have looked for shows

>> that don't include him. Interesting.

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