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delmelzaSep 4, 2017
 

 

To celebrate 50 years of Just A Minute, this new collection includes 12 previously unpublished archive episodes of the much-loved BBC Radio 4 panel game presented by Nicholas Parsons.

What better way to mark a glorious half century of Just A Minute than with a collection of episodes from each of the programme's six decades, ranging from 1968 to the very special Christmas 2016 edition, Just A Minute Does Panto?

As has been the case for each of those 50 years, Nicholas Parsons chairs every edition with impeccable manners and good humour. The plethora of seasoned players includes Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones, Paul Merton, Graham Norton, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth and Sheila Hancock, and competing alongside them is an array of celebrated guests including ]Peter Cook, Barry Took, Brian Johnston, Ian Hislop, Betty Marsden, Sue Perkins, Liza Tarbuck, Jeremy Hardy, Stephen Fry and many others.

Who can talk for one minute on a given subject without hesitation, repetition or deviating from the subject? Who will leap in at the last second to trounce the competition and secure the lead? Find out as we play Just A Minute!

First published: Thursday 7th September 2017

 

 
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George StillSep 5, 2017
 

 

 
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Dean BedfordSep 6, 2017
 

 
the blurb there omits Clement - looks like they may have looked for shows that don't include him. Interesting.

On 06 September 2017 at 14:07 "nylon sirnylon@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

And https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1114643/just-a-minute-the-golden-collection might tell you more.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:34 PM, George Still george@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

Nice.  :)

On 5 September 2017 at 07:10, delmelza@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@... > wrote:

 

To celebrate 50 years of Just A Minute, this new collection includes 12 previously unpublished archive episodes of the much-loved BBC Radio 4 panel game presented by Nicholas Parsons.

What better way to mark a glorious half century of Just A Minute than with a collection of episodes from each of the programme's six decades, ranging from 1968 to the very special Christmas 2016 edition, Just A Minute Does Panto?

As has been the case for each of those 50 years, Nicholas Parsons chairs every edition with impeccable manners and good humour. The plethora of seasoned players includes Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones, Paul Merton, Graham Norton, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth and Sheila Hancock, and competing alongside them is an array of celebrated guests including ]Peter Cook, Barry Took, Brian Johnston, Ian Hislop, Betty Marsden, Sue Perkins, Liza Tarbuck, Jeremy Hardy, Stephen Fry and many others.

Who can talk for one minute on a given subject without hesitation, repetition or deviating from the subject? Who will leap in at the last second to trounce the competition and secure the lead? Find out as we play Just A Minute!

First published: Thursday 7th September 2017

 

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Dean BedfordSep 6, 2017
 

 
although have just noticed it says it includes a 1968 show - so Clement must be in there

On 07 September 2017 at 08:24 "Dean Bedford dbedford@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

the blurb there omits Clement - looks like they may have looked for shows that don't include him. Interesting.

On 06 September 2017 at 14:07 "nylon sirnylon@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

And https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1114643/just-a-minute-the-golden-collection might tell you more.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:34 PM, George Still george@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

Nice.  :)

On 5 September 2017 at 07:10, delmelza@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@... > wrote:

 

To celebrate 50 years of Just A Minute, this new collection includes 12 previously unpublished archive episodes of the much-loved BBC Radio 4 panel game presented by Nicholas Parsons.

What better way to mark a glorious half century of Just A Minute than with a collection of episodes from each of the programme's six decades, ranging from 1968 to the very special Christmas 2016 edition, Just A Minute Does Panto?

As has been the case for each of those 50 years, Nicholas Parsons chairs every edition with impeccable manners and good humour. The plethora of seasoned players includes Kenneth Williams, Derek Nimmo, Peter Jones, Paul Merton, Graham Norton, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth and Sheila Hancock, and competing alongside them is an array of celebrated guests including ]Peter Cook, Barry Took, Brian Johnston, Ian Hislop, Betty Marsden, Sue Perkins, Liza Tarbuck, Jeremy Hardy, Stephen Fry and many others.

Who can talk for one minute on a given subject without hesitation, repetition or deviating from the subject? Who will leap in at the last second to trounce the competition and secure the lead? Find out as we play Just A Minute!

First published: Thursday 7th September 2017

 

--

Mark

mark at nylon dot net

http://nylon.net

 

 

 

 

 
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James R CurrySep 6, 2017
 

 

 
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ejumeanSep 7, 2017
 

 
I still feel a great deal of cognitive dissonance when listening to episodes in which Clement features. There's no denying his place in the annals of JAM history as a player -- despite what an awful and vile man he turned out to be in the end. That being said, there are definitely some moments that feature jokes that no longer sit well with me, and I find extremely disquieting. One that I unfortunately listened to recently was an episode from the early to mid 2000s that featured a joke about the proclivities of Lewis Carroll and J.M. Barry, wherein Linda Smith remarked, "Well Clement,  you're going to have to change your entry in your Eye-Spy Book Of Victorian Pedophiles." *shudder*.....

 
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nylonSep 7, 2017
 

 

 
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danabel1Sep 8, 2017
 

 
Respectfully, if you have not, take some time to read about the damage that rape and child abuse causes. 

 
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Dean BedfordSep 12, 2017
 

 
thanks for that. You have very well summed up why many people won't want to hear Clement's voice again. Your view is respected.

On 09 September 2017 at 18:49 "dan@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

I'm going to assume thats an honest question, and I'll give you an honest answer, as you asked. 

Respectfully, if you have not, take some time to read about the damage that rape and child abuse causes. 

I spent a few years of my youth supporting someone who was facing up to the traumatic events in their childhood. It's selfish, violent choice and inserts poison into life.  

To hear that Clement, someone who featured on a show I learnt so much from, and loved, was a perpetrator of these crimes makes me feel sick. Yes. I liked him. I do not now. 

When I hear the comradery on the old episodes, I ask, did they know? Did they suspect? And if so what was with that? I can't recommend old episodes to friends. 

There is an answer. If you reply, bear in mind I'm still angry, not at you or this group but at the perpetrators of abuse and rape. I am shocked that a rapist and child abuser can be considered just a 'bounder' or a 'cad' rather than a vile person and a criminal, but I'm sesnsitive. I doubt I'm long for this list, er?

---In just-a-minute@..., <tallguy403@...> wrote :

It seems so odd to me how at one time, everyone lauded Sir Clement on his knowledge and the ability to play the game so brilliantly -- and he was on the show for over 40 years, so someone must have liked him; even some in this very group! -- and yet today, no one is even permitted to say his name!

Oh, what a capricious lot we are!!

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Posted by: "nylon" sirnylon@... nylonchoo

Date: Wed Sep 6, 2017 7:20 pm ((PDT))

I know Clement was a bounder and a cad, but it also irks me how the BBC may

be embarking on a revisionist program that Stalin would have been proud of.

If *every* celebrity's most vile sins and crimes came to light, the BBC

archives would be full of nothing but spider webs and tumbleweeds.

Sometimes grown-ups need to accept that people can do terrible things, but

they can still be remembered for the non-terrible things they contributed.

Simply remembering the work of a miscreant does not mean you approve of

their sins.

Re-writing history and erasing entire life-works seems to me to be a

childish over-reaction.

2 cents worth.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James R Curry scratchy@...

[just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

>

>

> I noticed that too and was thinking about it.

>

> My conclusion was that the release is absolutely going to have to include

> Clement, because he was in so much of the early stuff that it would

> probably compromise the quality to be forced to pick episodes from which he

> was absent.

>

> But Clement is excluded from the blurb (Except for "And many others")

> because they definitely don't want to give the impression that they're

> celebrating the man.

>

> It's a weird, awful situation and I think this was the right choice by the

> BBC.  I'm genuinely happy for these releases, just because there's so much

> great work by the other performers.

>

>

> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Dean Bedford dbedford@...

> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> although have just noticed it says it includes a 1968 show - so Clement

>> must be in there

>>

>>

>> On 07 September 2017 at 08:24 "Dean Bedford dbedford@...

>> [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> the blurb there omits Clement - looks like they may have looked for shows

>> that don't include him. Interesting.

 

 

 
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TallguySep 15, 2017
 

 

 
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Dean BedfordSep 15, 2017
 

 
I don't think Dan missed the point, his point is just different to yours.

If we are going to discuss this subject further, let's just make our own points without telling others what lessons they need to learn. It's reasonable to think Clement should be regarded as a full part of JAM's history. It's reasonable to not want to hear him again. Let's be respectful all round.

On 15 September 2017 at 19:17 "Tallguy tallguy403@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

"dan@..." wrote:

 To hear that Clement, someone who featured on a show I learnt so much from, and loved, was a perpetrator of these crimes makes me feel sick. Yes. I liked him. I do not now. 

Well, Dan, you have missed the point. You were sent here to learn a very vital important lesson, and you have failed to do so. You will have to go through another life and hopefully learn it the next time. One thing I should tell you is that life is going to be much more complicated and difficult the next time around.

There is a move afoot in England, but more so abroad, to have British history books corrected. Apparently, Sir Winston, who you all revere as a great hero, was a vile, racist dictator! He hated the Indians [of Inda] (well-known during his life-time) and perpetrated one of the most dispicable genocides in history! This story is going around in "the colonies", but is conspicuously absent in England.

I don't believe the Queen just gives away knighthoods on a whim! These people have been thoroughy vetted, and they still received the tap of the sword.

I hadn't realized, Dan, that you were appointed to be the judge in this matter. There never was a case brought before the courts, that i know of, nor was any trial held -- or do you no longer do that over there?. You have already unilaterally sentenced this deceased man who cannot defend himself.

Even today, Aung San Suu Kyi is claimed to have apparently committed atrocities against the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar, and some claim that her Peace Prize should be taken away from her. At least in this case, there is still time to correct any injustice while Ms. Suu Kyi has committed is still alive and while these crimes are occurring.

Remember the lesson you need to learn! Either now or later.

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To: just-a-minute@...
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    Posted by: "Dean Bedford" dbedford@... deanbedford

    Date: Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:29 pm ((PDT))

thanks for that. You have very well summed up why many people won't want to hear Clement's voice again.

 

 

 
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delmelzaSep 18, 2017
 

 

 
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James R CurrySep 18, 2017
 

 

 
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simonbkellySep 20, 2017
 

 
My Golden Collection arrived today. 12 episodes on 6 CDs. The content is as follows:

CD 1
The 1960s
22 March 1968
Clement Freud, Betty Marsden, Andrée Melly, Derek Nimmo
22 December 1969
Clement Freud, Sheila Hancock, Derek Nimmo, Kenneth Williams

CD 2
The 1970s
26 January 1977
Clement Freud, Peter Jones, Derek Nimmo, Kenneth Williams
6 March 1979
Peter Cook, Clement Freud, Barry Took, Kenneth Williams

CD 3
The 1980s
29 October 1983
Peter Jones, Brian Johnston, Derek Nimmo, Kenneth Williams
18 January 1986
Barry Cryer, Ian Hislop, Derek Nimmo, Kenneth Williams

CD 4
The 1990s
7 January 1995
Tony Hawks, Jeremy Hardy, Peter Jones, Derek Nimmo
18 January 1997
Clement Freud, Peter Jones, Paul Merton, Graham Norton

CD 5
The 2000s
8 January 2001
Clement Freud, Paul Merton, Graham Norton, Sue Perkins
26 July 2004
Clement Freud, Stephen Fry, Tony Hawks, Paul Merton

CD 6
The 2010s
27 February 2012
Kit Hesketh-Harvery, Josie Lawrence, Paul Merton, Liza Tarbuck
25 December 2016
Tom Allen, Gyles Brandreth, Pippa Evans, Sheila Hancock, Rufus Hound, Tony Hawks, Paul Merton, Julian Clary

Great to have some more archive episodes in pristine sound quality. One thing I noticed when playing CD 1 is that the second show, dated 22 December 1969, is the "Christmas Party Games" episode (produced by David Hatch). Dean has this listed as 12 January 1971 (produced by Simon Brett), although being a Christmas episode, it makes more sense that it would have aired before Christmas, especially as Nicholas wishes everyone a "marvelous festive time" at the end (just before Derek Nimmo starts singing "The Holly and the Ivy"). So where does the "Joy" episode now fit in...?

Simon

 
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Clitheroe KidOct 5, 2017
 

 
I am disappointed by the villification which has been heaped on the memory of the late Sir Clement Freud.

Sir Clement has never been convicted of any offence. He is, indeed, a man against whom no charge has ever even been brought. And these allegations are being made against a man who is dead, and therefore unable to defend himself, which is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the case.

One cannot avoid the suspicion that the allegations would never have been made if the persons making them had to prove them in court, in a libel action by Sir Clement; and that the allegations have been made solely because a dead man cannot sue.

In its reporting of the case, the BBC invented its own charges, and summarily pronounced Sir Clement guilty. This is an abuse of the BBC's position; a shocking example of trial by television, in which the BBC wrongly took it upon itself to act as both judge and jury. The BBC's reporting showed a disturbing level of bias: Sir Clement was presumed at every turn to be guilty, and the unproven allegations were everywhere treated as true.

But, in truth, they are merely allegations. And the motives of those making the allegations are suspect, for they were not willing to make them whilst Sir Clement was alive and capable of rebutting them.

None of the allegations has ever been tested in a court of law, under cross-examination. And we have never heard Sir Clement's side of the matter.

The complainants evidently were seeking publicity, and may be seeking financial rewards from newspapers - and other organisations - who are typically willing to pay handsomely for what is perceived as a big news story; 'big' in that it villifies a celebrity. The complainants are, accordingly, strongly motivated to exaggerate their allegations.

None of these factors was given proper weight in the BBC's reporting of this case. The behaviour of its news and current affairs staff fell severely short of a proper standard.

And what of loyalty? What of the Corporation's loyalty toward one of its longest serving broadcasters, who had worked for it for more than four decades? What indeed.

Ed


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From: just-a-minute@... <just-a-minute@...> on behalf of nylon sirnylon@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: 07 September 2017 03:11
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] New CDs JAM the Golden Collection

I know Clement was a bounder and a cad, but it also irks me how the BBC may be embarking on a revisionist program that Stalin would have been proud of.

If every celebrity's most vile sins and crimes came to light, the BBC archives would be full of nothing but spider webs and tumbleweeds.

Sometimes grown-ups need to accept that people can do terrible things, but they can still be remembered for the non-terrible things they contributed.

Simply remembering the work of a miscreant does not mean you approve of their sins.

Re-writing history and erasing entire life-works seems to me to be a childish over-reaction.

2 cents worth.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James R Curry scratchy@...<mailto:scratchy@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


I noticed that too and was thinking about it.

My conclusion was that the release is absolutely going to have to include Clement, because he was in so much of the early stuff that it would probably compromise the quality to be forced to pick episodes from which he was absent.

But Clement is excluded from the blurb (Except for "And many others") because they definitely don't want to give the impression that they're celebrating the man.

It's a weird, awful situation and I think this was the right choice by the BBC. I'm genuinely happy for these releases, just because there's so much great work by the other performers.


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Dean Bedford dbedford@...<mailto:dbedford@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


although have just noticed it says it includes a 1968 show - so Clement must be in there


On 07 September 2017 at 08:24 "Dean Bedford dbedford@...<mailto:dbedford@...> [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:



the blurb there omits Clement - looks like they may have looked for shows that don't include him. Interesting.


On 06 September 2017 at 14:07 "nylon sirnylon@...<mailto:sirnylon@...> [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:



And https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1114643/just-a-minute-the-golden-collection might tell you more.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:34 PM, George Still george@...<mailto:george@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


Nice. :)

On 5 September 2017 at 07:10, delmelza@...<mailto:delmelza@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


To celebrate 50 years of Just A Minute<https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/just_a_minute_2012/>, this new collection includes 12 previously unpublished archive episodes of the much-loved BBC Radio 4<https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/channel/radio4/> panel game presented by Nicholas Parsons<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/nicholas_parsons/>.

What better way to mark a glorious half century of Just A Minute<https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/ju%20st_a_minute_2012/> than with a collection of episodes from each of the programme's six decades, ranging from 1968<https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/year/1968/> to the very special Christmas 2016<https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/year/2016/> edition, Just A Minute Does Panto?

As has been the case for each of those 50 years, Nicholas Parsons<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/nicholas_parsons/> chairs every edition with impeccable manners and good humour. The plethora of seasoned players includes Kenneth Williams<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/kenneth_williams/>, Derek Nimmo<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/derek_nimmo/>, Peter Jones<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/peter_jones/>, Paul Merton<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/paul_merton/>, Graham Norton<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/graham_norton/>, Tony Hawks<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/tony_hawks/>, Gyles Brandreth<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/gyles_brandreth/> and Sheila Hancock<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/sheila_hancock/>, and competing alongside them is an array of celebrated guests including ]Peter Cook<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/peter_cook/>, Barry Took<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/barry_took/>, Brian Johnston<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/brian_johnston/>, Ian Hislop<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/ian_hislop/>, Betty Marsden<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/betty_marsden/>, Sue Perkins<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/sue_perkins/>, Liza Tarbuck<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/liza_tarbuck/>, Jeremy Hardy<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/jeremy_hardy/>, Stephen Fry<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/stephen_fry/> and many others.

Who can talk for one minute on a given subject without hesitation, repetition or deviating from the subject? Who will leap in at the last second to trounce the competition and secure the lead? Find out as we play Just A Minute<https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/just_a_minute_2012/>!

First published: Thursday 7th September 2017












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simonbkellyOct 13, 2017
 

 
The original allegations about Mr Freud, and indeed Mr Savile, were not actually made public by the BBC, but by it's arch-rival, ITV. The revelations unfolded in episodes of the ITV documentary series, "Exposure":

Series 2 Episode 2 The Other Side of Jimmy Savile (broadcast 3 October 2012)
and
Series 6 Episode 2 Abused and Betrayed - A Life Sentence (broadcast 15 June 2016)

Any reporting by the BBC on the subject has mostly been damage limitation. If anything, it has been ITN (Independent Television News) and Sky News who have been making the most noise, constantly gloating about these cases.

It's a no-win situation for the Beeb. If they broadcast programmes featuring any of the disgraced individuals who have been accused or convicted of sex crimes (i.e. Clement Freud, Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris, Jonathan King, Dave Lee Travis) they will get moaned at. When they edit them out of future broadcasts they get moaned at.

I'm actually pleased that they included mostly Freud episodes in "The Golden Collection", but looking at the negative review that was posted on Amazon and Audible (probably by the same person!) it's obvious that not everyone is happy. So they're damned if they do, damned if they don't...

 
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mark_mckayNov 13, 2017
 

 

Simon's discovery re the "Christmas Party Games" air date makes sense to me - should have been obvious long ago really! I have a listing of Transcription Service issue numbers - which are usually (but admittedly not always!) in order... This lists TS54 as 5/1 (Demonectomy) through to TS70 (Astronomy), with TS78 squeezed in as "Stuffing Your Christmas Bird" (the Christmas episode was often pushed to the end of a TS run). Then TS71 is "Modern Art", TS72 is "The snags of show business", TS73 is "Joy" and TS74 is "Demonstrating" etc. So I think it's very likely that 5/19 (12-1-71) is "Modern art", 5/20 (19-1-71) is "The snags of show business" and 5/21 (26-1-71) is "Joy".

Mark