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Topic: New CDs JAM the Golden Collection

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Clitheroe KidOct 5, 2017
 

 
I am disappointed by the villification which has been heaped on the memory of the late Sir Clement Freud.

Sir Clement has never been convicted of any offence. He is, indeed, a man against whom no charge has ever even been brought. And these allegations are being made against a man who is dead, and therefore unable to defend himself, which is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the case.

One cannot avoid the suspicion that the allegations would never have been made if the persons making them had to prove them in court, in a libel action by Sir Clement; and that the allegations have been made solely because a dead man cannot sue.

In its reporting of the case, the BBC invented its own charges, and summarily pronounced Sir Clement guilty. This is an abuse of the BBC's position; a shocking example of trial by television, in which the BBC wrongly took it upon itself to act as both judge and jury. The BBC's reporting showed a disturbing level of bias: Sir Clement was presumed at every turn to be guilty, and the unproven allegations were everywhere treated as true.

But, in truth, they are merely allegations. And the motives of those making the allegations are suspect, for they were not willing to make them whilst Sir Clement was alive and capable of rebutting them.

None of the allegations has ever been tested in a court of law, under cross-examination. And we have never heard Sir Clement's side of the matter.

The complainants evidently were seeking publicity, and may be seeking financial rewards from newspapers - and other organisations - who are typically willing to pay handsomely for what is perceived as a big news story; 'big' in that it villifies a celebrity. The complainants are, accordingly, strongly motivated to exaggerate their allegations.

None of these factors was given proper weight in the BBC's reporting of this case. The behaviour of its news and current affairs staff fell severely short of a proper standard.

And what of loyalty? What of the Corporation's loyalty toward one of its longest serving broadcasters, who had worked for it for more than four decades? What indeed.

Ed


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I know Clement was a bounder and a cad, but it also irks me how the BBC may be embarking on a revisionist program that Stalin would have been proud of.

If every celebrity's most vile sins and crimes came to light, the BBC archives would be full of nothing but spider webs and tumbleweeds.

Sometimes grown-ups need to accept that people can do terrible things, but they can still be remembered for the non-terrible things they contributed.

Simply remembering the work of a miscreant does not mean you approve of their sins.

Re-writing history and erasing entire life-works seems to me to be a childish over-reaction.

2 cents worth.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:52 AM, James R Curry scratchy@...<mailto:scratchy@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


I noticed that too and was thinking about it.

My conclusion was that the release is absolutely going to have to include Clement, because he was in so much of the early stuff that it would probably compromise the quality to be forced to pick episodes from which he was absent.

But Clement is excluded from the blurb (Except for "And many others") because they definitely don't want to give the impression that they're celebrating the man.

It's a weird, awful situation and I think this was the right choice by the BBC. I'm genuinely happy for these releases, just because there's so much great work by the other performers.


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Dean Bedford dbedford@...<mailto:dbedford@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


although have just noticed it says it includes a 1968 show - so Clement must be in there


On 07 September 2017 at 08:24 "Dean Bedford dbedford@...<mailto:dbedford@...> [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:



the blurb there omits Clement - looks like they may have looked for shows that don't include him. Interesting.


On 06 September 2017 at 14:07 "nylon sirnylon@...<mailto:sirnylon@...> [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:



And https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1114643/just-a-minute-the-golden-collection might tell you more.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:34 PM, George Still george@...<mailto:george@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


Nice. :)

On 5 September 2017 at 07:10, delmelza@...<mailto:delmelza@...> [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...<mailto:just-a-minute@...>> wrote:


To celebrate 50 years of Just A Minute<https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/just_a_minute_2012/>, this new collection includes 12 previously unpublished archive episodes of the much-loved BBC Radio 4<https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/channel/radio4/> panel game presented by Nicholas Parsons<https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/nicholas_parsons/>.

What better way to mark a glorious half century of Just A Minute<https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/ju%20st_a_minute_2012/> than with a collection of episodes from each of the programme's six decades, ranging from 1968<https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/year/1968/> to the very special Christmas 2016<https://www.comedy.co.uk/guide/year/2016/> edition, Just A Minute Does Panto?

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Topic: Re: New CDs JAM the Golden Collection

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simonbkellyOct 13, 2017
 

 
The original allegations about Mr Freud, and indeed Mr Savile, were not actually made public by the BBC, but by it's arch-rival, ITV. The revelations unfolded in episodes of the ITV documentary series, "Exposure":

Series 2 Episode 2 The Other Side of Jimmy Savile (broadcast 3 October 2012)
and
Series 6 Episode 2 Abused and Betrayed - A Life Sentence (broadcast 15 June 2016)

Any reporting by the BBC on the subject has mostly been damage limitation. If anything, it has been ITN (Independent Television News) and Sky News who have been making the most noise, constantly gloating about these cases.

It's a no-win situation for the Beeb. If they broadcast programmes featuring any of the disgraced individuals who have been accused or convicted of sex crimes (i.e. Clement Freud, Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris, Jonathan King, Dave Lee Travis) they will get moaned at. When they edit them out of future broadcasts they get moaned at.

I'm actually pleased that they included mostly Freud episodes in "The Golden Collection", but looking at the negative review that was posted on Amazon and Audible (probably by the same person!) it's obvious that not everyone is happy. So they're damned if they do, damned if they don't...

 
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Topic: Re: New CDs JAM the Golden Collection

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mark_mckayNov 13, 2017
 

 

Simon's discovery re the "Christmas Party Games" air date makes sense to me - should have been obvious long ago really! I have a listing of Transcription Service issue numbers - which are usually (but admittedly not always!) in order... This lists TS54 as 5/1 (Demonectomy) through to TS70 (Astronomy), with TS78 squeezed in as "Stuffing Your Christmas Bird" (the Christmas episode was often pushed to the end of a TS run). Then TS71 is "Modern Art", TS72 is "The snags of show business", TS73 is "Joy" and TS74 is "Demonstrating" etc. So I think it's very likely that 5/19 (12-1-71) is "Modern art", 5/20 (19-1-71) is "The snags of show business" and 5/21 (26-1-71) is "Joy".

Mark