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Topic: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 1 / 13
Robert L. TorresAug 13, 2007
 
 
I'd like to discuss something very near and dear to my heart, the
notion of 'withdrawing challenges'.

this is something that challengers and panelists often wish to do, but
Nicholas more often than not will say 'you can't do that in this game'
and then goes on about that if you interrupt someone, you stop their
flow, blah blah blah.

Now, I think that you should be allowed to withdraw your challenge in
the game, and the result being that NO POINTS are awarded or charged
or whatever in any context and the person that was interrupted keeps
going.

After all, in the early days of the programme Nicholas often would
charge no points for certain interruptions that nowadays earn people
bonus points left, right and center.

I mean if a person wishes to withdraw a challenge, they should be
allowed to do so.
 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 2 / 13
Gregory AugerAug 13, 2007
 
 
No, I don't think so. So talking on "Radio Stations"

A: A Radio Station is a place where radio programmes are ...

B: BEEP. Um, I withdraw my challenge,

A: As I was saying radio stations broadcast material made by either ...

B: BEEP. Um, I withdraw my challenge,

etc etc ! This is so off putting.

On 14/08/07, Robert L. Torres < bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:

I'd like to discuss something very near and dear to my heart, the
notion of 'withdrawing challenges'.

this is something that challengers and panelists often wish to do, but
Nicholas more often than not will say 'you can't do that in this game'
and then goes on about that if you interrupt someone, you stop their
flow, blah blah blah.

Now, I think that you should be allowed to withdraw your challenge in
the game, and the result being that NO POINTS are awarded or charged
or whatever in any context and the person that was interrupted keeps
going.

After all, in the early days of the programme Nicholas often would
charge no points for certain interruptions that nowadays earn people
bonus points left, right and center.

I mean if a person wishes to withdraw a challenge, they should be
allowed to do so.



 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 3 / 13
david_and_ubonwanAug 15, 2007
 
 
--- In just-a-minute@..., "Robert L. Torres"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to discuss something very near and dear to my heart, the
> notion of 'withdrawing challenges'.
>
> this is something that challengers and panelists often wish to do,
but
> Nicholas more often than not will say 'you can't do that in this
game'
> and then goes on about that if you interrupt someone, you stop
their
> flow, blah blah blah.
>
> Now, I think that you should be allowed to withdraw your challenge
in
> the game, and the result being that NO POINTS are awarded or
charged
> or whatever in any context and the person that was interrupted
keeps
> going.
>
> After all, in the early days of the programme Nicholas often would
> charge no points for certain interruptions that nowadays earn
people
> bonus points left, right and center.
>
> I mean if a person wishes to withdraw a challenge, they should be
> allowed to do so.
>


We couldn't disagree more with this suggestion...

David and Ubownan
 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 4 / 13
Robert TorresAug 15, 2007
 
 
it's not gonna stop people from trying though. I mean no matter how many times Nicholas says that they can't, people are still going to try. who knows Nicholas may actually slip and allow someone to withdraw a challenge, it wouldn't surprise me considering how many times he's slipped up about damn near everything else. 

david_and_ubonwan <david_and_ubonwan@...> wrote:
--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "Robert L. Torres"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to discuss something very near and dear to my heart, the
> notion of 'withdrawing challenges'.
>
> this is something that challengers and panelists often wish to do,
but
> Nicholas more often than not will say 'you can't do that in this
game'
> and then goes on about that if you interrupt someone, you stop
their
> flow, blah blah blah.
>
> Now, I think that you should be allowed to withdraw your challenge
in
> the game, and the result being that NO POINTS are awarded or
charged
> or whatever in any context and the person that was interrupted
keeps
> going.
>
> After all, in the early days of the programme Nicholas often would
> charge no points for certain interruptions that nowadays earn
people
> bonus points left, right and center.
>
> I mean if a person wishes to withdraw a challenge, they should be
> allowed to do so.
>

We couldn't disagree more with this suggestion.. .

David and Ubownan



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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 5 / 13
Robert L. TorresAug 29, 2007
 
 
I mean if people are allowed to challenge themselves, they should be
allowed to withdraw challenges. I mean, how is that any more
offputting than allowing someone to challenge themselves? or any
other blasted decision that Nicholas makes even in the face of
actual correct challenges.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Gregory Auger"
<gregory.auger@...> wrote:
>
> No, I don't think so. So talking on "Radio Stations"
>
> A: A Radio Station is a place where radio programmes are ...
>
> B: BEEP. Um, I withdraw my challenge,
>
> A: As I was saying radio stations broadcast material made by
either ...
>
> B: BEEP. Um, I withdraw my challenge,
>
> etc etc ! This is so off putting.
>
> On 14/08/07, Robert L. Torres <bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to discuss something very near and dear to my heart,
the
> > notion of 'withdrawing challenges'.
> >
> > this is something that challengers and panelists often wish to
do, but
> > Nicholas more often than not will say 'you can't do that in this
game'
> > and then goes on about that if you interrupt someone, you stop
their
> > flow, blah blah blah.
> >
> > Now, I think that you should be allowed to withdraw your
challenge in
> > the game, and the result being that NO POINTS are awarded or
charged
> > or whatever in any context and the person that was interrupted
keeps
> > going.
> >
> > After all, in the early days of the programme Nicholas often
would
> > charge no points for certain interruptions that nowadays earn
people
> > bonus points left, right and center.
> >
> > I mean if a person wishes to withdraw a challenge, they should be
> > allowed to do so.
> >
> >
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 6 / 13
Gregory AugerAug 29, 2007
 
 
Challenging yourself is kinda funny and you're essentially interupting your own flow. When withdrawing challenges you're interupting someone else's flow. Thats the difference.

On 29/08/2007, Robert L. Torres <bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:

I mean if people are allowed to challenge themselves, they should be
allowed to withdraw challenges. I mean, how is that any more
offputting than allowing someone to challenge themselves? or any
other blasted decision that Nicholas makes even in the face of
actual correct challenges.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Gregory Auger"
<gregory.auger@...> wrote:
>
> No, I don't think so. So talking on "Radio Stations"
>
> A: A Radio Station is a place where radio programmes are ...
>
> B: BEEP. Um, I withdraw my challenge,
>
> A: As I was saying radio stations broadcast material made by
either ...
>
> B: BEEP. Um, I withdraw my challenge,
>
> etc etc ! This is so off putting.
>

> On 14/08/07, Robert L. Torres <bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to discuss something very near and dear to my heart,
the
> > notion of 'withdrawing challenges'.
> >
> > this is something that challengers and panelists often wish to
do, but
> > Nicholas more often than not will say 'you can't do that in this
game'
> > and then goes on about that if you interrupt someone, you stop
their
> > flow, blah blah blah.
> >
> > Now, I think that you should be allowed to withdraw your
challenge in
> > the game, and the result being that NO POINTS are awarded or
charged
> > or whatever in any context and the person that was interrupted
keeps
> > going.
> >
> > After all, in the early days of the programme Nicholas often
would
> > charge no points for certain interruptions that nowadays earn
people
> > bonus points left, right and center.
> >
> > I mean if a person wishes to withdraw a challenge, they should be
> > allowed to do so.
> >
> >
> >
>



 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 7 / 13
Dean BedfordAug 29, 2007
 
 
On Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 04:42 AM, Robert L. Torres wrote:

> I mean if people are allowed to challenge themselves, they should be
> allowed to withdraw challenges. I mean, how is that any more
> offputting than allowing someone to challenge themselves? or any
> other blasted decision that Nicholas makes even in the face of
> actual correct challenges.

I'm not sure what you think would be the advantage of this, and you
haven't cited an advantage.

If someone could withdraw a challenge after Nicholas ruled, there would
be no penalty for a wrong challenge. Therefore if you have the subject,
the only way you are going to get a point is by speaking at the whistle.
Unless you think you can go the whole 60 seconds, there's no point then
to trying to get a "flow" going - you might as well stop, let someone
else take over and hope to get back in.

It also means someone can interrupt someone else without any penalty.
You might as well hit the buzzer every two seconds - there's no
disincentive as you can just withdraw your challenge.

With no incentive to keep going and no penalty for challenging as much
as you like, it would be a choppy game, full of challenges, no long
surreal Paul Merton stories. I can't see how this would be good. It
would ruin one of the main avenues of comedy in the game and just
present a string of arguments over challenges.

I know you don't agree with much of what Nicholas says. But here's
something he sometimes says that we can both agree with - the game's
been going now for 40 years and has had some success with these rules.
 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 8 / 13
Robert TorresAug 30, 2007
 
 
well, you may be right, but at the same time, it would also avoid instances of Nicholas saying that someone has challenged when they clearly haven't and avoids the notion of him confusing or pressuring the person who didn't challenge into making a wrong challenge. 
 
in fact, I seem to recall many instances when Nicholas has said that someone's light has come on, even though he didn't hear the buzzer, and Nicholas will say that someone challenged when they clearly haven't. 
 
One example being an episode from either the late 90's or the early 2000's when Linda Smith was speaking on a subject, but I believe Tony Hawks was on the panel as well, and Linda was interrupted by Nicholas who said that Tony challenged, and makes this big schpeel about that Tony must've just pressed the buzzer lightly, and then asks tony was his challenge is. and there's a silence followed by a laughter and Tony doesn't know what Nicholas is talking about, because he knows he didn't challenge, but then is so confused by what's happening he accidentally challenges incorrectly, because Nicholas pressured and practically bullied him into making a challenge that he didn't make in the first place.  and it goes against him, then when tony actually challenges sometime later and has the audience behind him, instead of giving him a bonus point, Nicholas AGAIN penalizes him for 'browbeating the audience'. 
 
although, in hindsight, I seem to think in small moments rather than in the overall scheme of things.  sorry I brought this topic up. 


Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Thursday, August 30, 2007, at 04:42 AM, Robert L. Torres wrote:

> I mean if people are allowed to challenge themselves, they should be
> allowed to withdraw challenges. I mean, how is that any more
> offputting than allowing someone to challenge themselves? or any
> other blasted decision that Nicholas makes even in the face of
> actual correct challenges.

I'm not sure what you think would be the advantage of this, and you
haven't cited an advantage.

If someone could withdraw a challenge after Nicholas ruled, there would
be no penalty for a wrong challenge. Therefore if you have the subject,
the only way you are going to get a point is by speaking at the whistle.
Unless you think you can go the whole 60 seconds, there's no point then
to trying to get a "flow" going - you might as well stop, let someone
else take over and hope to get back in.

It also means someone can interrupt someone else without any penalty.
You might as well hit the buzzer every two seconds - there's no
disincentive as you can just withdraw your challenge.

With no incentive to keep going and no penalty for challenging as much
as you like, it would be a choppy game, full of challenges, no long
surreal Paul Merton stories. I can't see how this would be good. It
would ruin one of the main avenues of comedy in the game and just
present a string of arguments over challenges.

I know you don't agree with much of what Nicholas says. But here's
something he sometimes says that we can both agree with - the game's
been going now for 40 years and has had some success with these rules.


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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 9 / 13
Dean BedfordAug 30, 2007
 
 
On Friday, August 31, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> well, you may be right, but at the same time, it would also avoid
> instances of Nicholas saying that someone has challenged when they
> clearly haven't

If you haven't challenged, you can't withdraw your challenge.

the rest of your email seems to be about the problem where a light goes
and someone says they haven't challenged. Two possibilities there - a
technical problem with the buzzers or the panellist isn't telling the
truth. If it's a technical problem, it's a technical problem. If they
deny pressing the buzzer, they're saying they haven't challenged, so
they can't have the option of withdrawing it. Either way it isn't
resolved by a rule change.

Anyway there are plenty of occasions when Nicholas does say something
like "we'll charge no points there" after a challenge. Which seems to be
what you want... I think...
 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 10 / 13
Robert TorresAug 31, 2007
 
 
Yeah, Nicholas used to do that a lot in the past, usually in regards to those comedic joke challenges that nowadays would garner bonus points, but there hasn't been a single occasion recently where Nicholas has charged 'no points'. 

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Friday, August 31, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> well, you may be right, but at the same time, it would also avoid
> instances of Nicholas saying that someone has challenged when they
> clearly haven't

If you haven't challenged, you can't withdraw your challenge.

the rest of your email seems to be about the problem where a light goes
and someone says they haven't challenged. Two possibilities there - a
technical problem with the buzzers or the panellist isn't telling the
truth. If it's a technical problem, it's a technical problem. If they
deny pressing the buzzer, they're saying they haven't challenged, so
they can't have the option of withdrawing it. Either way it isn't
resolved by a rule change.

Anyway there are plenty of occasions when Nicholas does say something
like "we'll charge no points there" after a challenge. Which seems to be
what you want... I think...


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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 11 / 13
Dean BedfordAug 31, 2007
 
 
On Saturday, September 1, 2007, at 06:41 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> Yeah, Nicholas used to do that a lot in the past, usually in regards to
> those comedic joke challenges that nowadays would garner bonus points,
> but there hasn't been a single occasion recently where Nicholas has
> charged 'no points'. 

he did it a couple of weeks ago
 
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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 12 / 13
Robert TorresAug 31, 2007
 
 
miracle of miracles.  but bear in mind I haven't heard the latest season of episodes yet, because my computer is still on the blink. 

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Saturday, September 1, 2007, at 06:41 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> Yeah, Nicholas used to do that a lot in the past, usually in regards to
> those comedic joke challenges that nowadays would garner bonus points,
> but there hasn't been a single occasion recently where Nicholas has
> charged 'no points'. 

he did it a couple of weeks ago


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Topic: Re: Withdrawing Challenges

Message 13 / 13
Dean BedfordAug 31, 2007
 
 
On Saturday, September 1, 2007, at 08:43 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> miracle of miracles.  but bear in mind I haven't heard the latest
> season of episodes yet, because my computer is still on the blink. 

Might have been better then not to say "there hasn't been a single
occasion recently where Nicholas has
> charged 'no points'."

Other recent occasions (within past three years) - 20 February 2006, 30
January 2006, 23 January 2006, 1 August 2005, 28 February 2005, 20
September 2004.
 
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