okay can I start off by saying that I'm a sad man but I seem to be able
to go straight too these things...
Robert - the story isn't quite as you described it... but this is what
you're after.
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the first reference was on the 28 August 1982 show with Kenneth
Williams, Sir Tim Rice, John Junkin and Maureen Lipman
NICHOLAS PARSONS: Maureen Lipman begins the next round and the subject
is fads. Can you tell us something about that in the game Maureen
starting now.
MAUREEN LIPMAN: I’m a sucker for fads. Health food, jogging. Isn’t it
extraordinary how the minute you buy your shoes, you stop running. I had
hula hoops, now there’s a funny thing. You walk to school with a big
piece of red plastic around you, gyrating backwards and forwards.
Yo-yos, does anybody remember those...
BUZZ
NP: Tim Rice has challenged.
TIM RICE: Repeat of yo!
ML: Oh! Boo!
NP: It’s a correct challenge. It’s a correct challenge. You see that’s
what the game’s all about, and it’s those good challenges that make it
exciting.
ML: So who remembers a yo?
NP: I think um the thing is Maureen it’s very bad luck on you, but it’s
a good challenge, so we give it to Tim. And there are 43...
ML: Well!
NP: ... seconds on fads starting now.
TR: When my mother gave me a yo, back in 1945, I was extremely happy
with it for a long time...
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The next reference is to a show the following year, 4 April 1983 with a
panel of Kenneth, Sir Clement Freud, Gyles Brandreth and Barry Cryer
NP: Gyles Brandreth, another character, 60 seconds for you to talk on
the subject of toys I still enjoy. Would you tell us something about
that starting now.
GYLES BRANDRETH: The principal toy that i still enjoy is the oy-oy, this
is because I am a dyslexic...
BUZZ
NP: Clement Freud challenged.
LOUD LAUGHTER FROM BC AND THE AUDIENCE
KW: I’ve never heard of it. Is there really a toy called the oy-oy?
NP: If you’re dyslexic, if you’re dyslexic, yes.
KW: Oh? How very weird.
NP: Write it down, write it down and read it backwards. Kenneth, Clement
what’s your challenge?
CLEMENT FREUD: Even had it been a yo-yo, it would have been repetition
of yo or oy!
GB: No, it’s a double barrelled word with a hyphen in the middle.
NP: Yo-yo, it is a hyphenated word, yo-yo.
BARRY CRYER: It’s an internal repetition, isn’t it?
NP: No, no, it’s hyphenated, we allow it. So Gyles we’re still with
you...
CF: What, oy-oy?
BC: Yes it is hyphenated.
NP: Yes Clement...
CF: Oy-oy?
NP: Well it must be, he was dyslexic. The hyphen would be there in the
middle whether it’s yo-yo or oy-oy.
BC: It’s still repetition, isn’t it?
NP: No, I think...
CF: Would elephant-elephant not be...
NP: Yes, we allow hyphenated words...
BC: I think Clement’s interruption was one of the finest I’ve ever heard
on this programme.
(and later in the same round)
NP: And so Clement has four seconds on toys I still enjoy starting now.
CF: The toy I most enjoy from my childhood days is called
rhinoceros-rhinoceros!
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But there was another reference to the first incident later in the same
year - on 8 October 1983, the panel being Kenneth, Clement, John and
Derek Nimmo
NP: And Clement your turn to begin, the subject is weights. You have 60
seconds as usual starting now.
CF: An awful lot of fuss is made about weights, and people come up to
you and say “you are too heavy, far too fat, carry...”
BUZZ
NP: John Junkin.
JOHN JUNKIN: Repetition of too.
NP: Yes but we don’t bother with those sort of...
JJ: Why is it you never bother when I challenge, but you do when someone
equal challenges?
NP: Well we let little words go, if it goes on for more than couple of
times, then I think we might go. And also he’d only just started. But
I’ll tell you what, as you’re the guest John, we won’t charge anything...
CF: Oh I think you should charge him, especially...
NP: Give Clement Freud another point, as it’s the last round, I don’t
think it’s going to make any difference to the result...
CF: He’s not going to win, is he, I mean, it’s not going to...
JJ: Can I just tell the audience that in a previous broadcast Tim Rice
who happens to be rich and famous and powerful, challenged somebody on
yo-yo, for repetition of yo and he allowed it!
NP: I thought that was a very clever challenge! Yes.
CF: Brilliant!
JJ: Now are we, are we playing the rules, or are we playing your opinion?
NP: Well my opinion comes into every judgement I’m afraid.
JJ: (laughs) Oh this is unfair! This is persecution!
NP: It’s an impossible game on which to be chairman, and you know, as I
said, they can’t find any sucker who’ll take it on, so I have to
continue. And er...
DEREK NIMMO: What I want to know is how much you usually charge? I
didn’t know that you had a fee for this. You just said “I’m not going to
charge you anything for this John”.
NP: Well I did offer Derek...
DN: If he’d offered you more money, would you have given him a point?
That’s what I want him to know.
NP: Oh you mean money in the game? Well I have to earn a living somehow.
You don’t think the BBC pay me to do this job, do you?
DN: I should hope not! I should think you’re probably paid by Capital
Radio to keep their figures up!
NP: I might get some money now from sensitive listeners in all those
far-flung parts of the um... oh...
BUZZ
JJ: Hesitation. Oh sorry!
NP: Right anyway, send your donations in a sealed envelope.
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Anyway it all supports your charge of inconsistency I guess - but I
think it also shows how the show is consistently funny!
Dean
On Saturday, December 1, 2007, at 03:26 PM, Robert Torres wrote:
> okay, I'm in a bit of a quandry.
>
> a while back I remember listening to a really awesome episode of JAM,
> and I believe that Tim Rice was on the show, and I forget what subject
> was being discussed, but essentially the word 'yo-yo' came up, Clement
> challenged Tim for repetition, and it wasn't allowed because it was
> hyphenated. I think the subject had something to do with favorite toys
> or something. and towards the end of the subject, Clement gets in
> again, and says 'My favorite toy I remember having was called
> 'rhinoceros-rhinoceros', and then the whistle went.
>
> then much later on came the episode where Tim appeared with John Junkin
> and Maureen Lipman, and Tim challenged Maureen for repetition of 'yo'
> when she said 'yo-yo', and Nicholas allowed it for Tim when he didn't
> allow it for Clement.
>
> now, i'm just trying to figure out which episode it was, because it had
> to have come before, but I can't seem to locate it in any of the
> episodes available for download, either that or it's one of the eps
> where that particular round was cut or something.
>
> does anyone else know what I'm talking about?
>
>
>
>
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