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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 1 / 7
Dean BedfordNov 30, 2007
 

 
okay can I start off by saying that I'm a sad man but I seem to be able
to go straight too these things...

Robert - the story isn't quite as you described it... but this is what
you're after.

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************

the first reference was on the 28 August 1982 show with Kenneth
Williams, Sir Tim Rice, John Junkin and Maureen Lipman

NICHOLAS PARSONS: Maureen Lipman begins the next round and the subject
is fads. Can you tell us something about that in the game Maureen
starting now.

MAUREEN LIPMAN: I’m a sucker for fads. Health food, jogging. Isn’t it
extraordinary how the minute you buy your shoes, you stop running. I had
hula hoops, now there’s a funny thing. You walk to school with a big
piece of red plastic around you, gyrating backwards and forwards.
Yo-yos, does anybody remember those...

BUZZ

NP: Tim Rice has challenged.

TIM RICE: Repeat of yo!

ML: Oh! Boo!

NP: It’s a correct challenge. It’s a correct challenge. You see that’s
what the game’s all about, and it’s those good challenges that make it
exciting.

ML: So who remembers a yo?

NP: I think um the thing is Maureen it’s very bad luck on you, but it’s
a good challenge, so we give it to Tim. And there are 43...

ML: Well!

NP: ... seconds on fads starting now.

TR: When my mother gave me a yo, back in 1945, I was extremely happy
with it for a long time...

**************************************************************************
******************

The next reference is to a show the following year, 4 April 1983 with a
panel of Kenneth, Sir Clement Freud, Gyles Brandreth and Barry Cryer

NP: Gyles Brandreth, another character, 60 seconds for you to talk on
the subject of toys I still enjoy. Would you tell us something about
that starting now.

GYLES BRANDRETH: The principal toy that i still enjoy is the oy-oy, this
is because I am a dyslexic...

BUZZ

NP: Clement Freud challenged.

LOUD LAUGHTER FROM BC AND THE AUDIENCE

KW: I’ve never heard of it. Is there really a toy called the oy-oy?

NP: If you’re dyslexic, if you’re dyslexic, yes.

KW: Oh? How very weird.

NP: Write it down, write it down and read it backwards. Kenneth, Clement
what’s your challenge?

CLEMENT FREUD: Even had it been a yo-yo, it would have been repetition
of yo or oy!

GB: No, it’s a double barrelled word with a hyphen in the middle.

NP: Yo-yo, it is a hyphenated word, yo-yo.

BARRY CRYER: It’s an internal repetition, isn’t it?

NP: No, no, it’s hyphenated, we allow it. So Gyles we’re still with
you...

CF: What, oy-oy?

BC: Yes it is hyphenated.

NP: Yes Clement...

CF: Oy-oy?

NP: Well it must be, he was dyslexic. The hyphen would be there in the
middle whether it’s yo-yo or oy-oy.

BC: It’s still repetition, isn’t it?

NP: No, I think...

CF: Would elephant-elephant not be...

NP: Yes, we allow hyphenated words...

BC: I think Clement’s interruption was one of the finest I’ve ever heard
on this programme.

(and later in the same round)

NP: And so Clement has four seconds on toys I still enjoy starting now.

CF: The toy I most enjoy from my childhood days is called
rhinoceros-rhinoceros!

**************************************************************************
**************
But there was another reference to the first incident later in the same
year - on 8 October 1983, the panel being Kenneth, Clement, John and
Derek Nimmo

NP: And Clement your turn to begin, the subject is weights. You have 60
seconds as usual starting now.

CF: An awful lot of fuss is made about weights, and people come up to
you and say “you are too heavy, far too fat, carry...”

BUZZ

NP: John Junkin.

JOHN JUNKIN: Repetition of too.

NP: Yes but we don’t bother with those sort of...

JJ: Why is it you never bother when I challenge, but you do when someone
equal challenges?

NP: Well we let little words go, if it goes on for more than couple of
times, then I think we might go. And also he’d only just started. But
I’ll tell you what, as you’re the guest John, we won’t charge anything...

CF: Oh I think you should charge him, especially...

NP: Give Clement Freud another point, as it’s the last round, I don’t
think it’s going to make any difference to the result...

CF: He’s not going to win, is he, I mean, it’s not going to...

JJ: Can I just tell the audience that in a previous broadcast Tim Rice
who happens to be rich and famous and powerful, challenged somebody on
yo-yo, for repetition of yo and he allowed it!

NP: I thought that was a very clever challenge! Yes.

CF: Brilliant!

JJ: Now are we, are we playing the rules, or are we playing your opinion?

NP: Well my opinion comes into every judgement I’m afraid.

JJ: (laughs) Oh this is unfair! This is persecution!

NP: It’s an impossible game on which to be chairman, and you know, as I
said, they can’t find any sucker who’ll take it on, so I have to
continue. And er...

DEREK NIMMO: What I want to know is how much you usually charge? I
didn’t know that you had a fee for this. You just said “I’m not going to
charge you anything for this John”.

NP: Well I did offer Derek...

DN: If he’d offered you more money, would you have given him a point?
That’s what I want him to know.

NP: Oh you mean money in the game? Well I have to earn a living somehow.
You don’t think the BBC pay me to do this job, do you?

DN: I should hope not! I should think you’re probably paid by Capital
Radio to keep their figures up!

NP: I might get some money now from sensitive listeners in all those
far-flung parts of the um... oh...

BUZZ

JJ: Hesitation. Oh sorry!

NP: Right anyway, send your donations in a sealed envelope.

**************************************************************************
*******************
Anyway it all supports your charge of inconsistency I guess - but I
think it also shows how the show is consistently funny!

Dean

On Saturday, December 1, 2007, at 03:26 PM, Robert Torres wrote:

> okay, I'm in a bit of a quandry. 
>  
> a while back I remember listening to a really awesome episode of JAM,
> and I believe that Tim Rice was on the show, and I forget what subject
> was being discussed, but essentially the word 'yo-yo' came up, Clement
> challenged Tim for repetition, and it wasn't allowed because it was
> hyphenated.  I think the subject had something to do with favorite toys
> or something.  and towards the end of the subject, Clement gets in
> again, and says 'My favorite toy I remember having was called
> 'rhinoceros-rhinoceros', and then the whistle went. 
>  
> then much later on came the episode where Tim appeared with John Junkin
> and Maureen Lipman, and Tim challenged Maureen for repetition of 'yo'
> when she said 'yo-yo', and Nicholas allowed it for Tim when he didn't
> allow it for Clement. 
>  
> now, i'm just trying to figure out which episode it was, because it had
> to have come before, but I can't seem to locate it in any of the
> episodes available for download, either that or it's one of the eps
> where that particular round was cut or something. 
>  
> does anyone else know what I'm talking about? 
>
>
>

>
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> how.
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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 2 / 7
Robert TorresNov 30, 2007
 

 
Dean, thank you for helping to straighten it all out for me, and you're right, it supports the argument of the inconsistency of Nicholas's decisions, but does showcase just how the show is always funny. 

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

okay can I start off by saying that I'm a sad man but I seem to be able
to go straight too these things...

Robert - the story isn't quite as you described it... but this is what
you're after.

**************************************************************************
************

the first reference was on the 28 August 1982 show with Kenneth
Williams, Sir Tim Rice, John Junkin and Maureen Lipman

NICHOLAS PARSONS: Maureen Lipman begins the next round and the subject
is fads. Can you tell us something about that in the game Maureen
starting now.

MAUREEN LIPMAN: I’m a sucker for fads. Health food, jogging. Isn’t it
extraordinary how the minute you buy your shoes, you stop running. I had
hula hoops, now there’s a funny thing. You walk to school with a big
piece of red plastic around you, gyrating backwards and forwards.
Yo-yos, does anybody remember those...

BUZZ

NP: Tim Rice has challenged.

TIM RICE: Repeat of yo!

ML: Oh! Boo!

NP: It’s a correct challenge. It’s a correct challenge. You see that’s
what the game’s all about, and it’s those good challenges that make it
exciting.

ML: So who remembers a yo?

NP: I think um the thing is Maureen it’s very bad luck on you, but it’s
a good challenge, so we give it to Tim. And there are 43...

ML: Well!

NP: ... seconds on fads starting now.

TR: When my mother gave me a yo, back in 1945, I was extremely happy
with it for a long time...

**************************************************************************
******************

The next reference is to a show the following year, 4 April 1983 with a
panel of Kenneth, Sir Clement Freud, Gyles Brandreth and Barry Cryer

NP: Gyles Brandreth, another character, 60 seconds for you to talk on
the subject of toys I still enjoy. Would you tell us something about
that starting now.

GYLES BRANDRETH: The principal toy that i still enjoy is the oy-oy, this
is because I am a dyslexic...

BUZZ

NP: Clement Freud challenged.

LOUD LAUGHTER FROM BC AND THE AUDIENCE

KW: I’ve never heard of it. Is there really a toy called the oy-oy?

NP: If you’re dyslexic, if you’re dyslexic, yes.

KW: Oh? How very weird.

NP: Write it down, write it down and read it backwards. Kenneth, Clement
what’s your challenge?

CLEMENT FREUD: Even had it been a yo-yo, it would have been repetition
of yo or oy!

GB: No, it’s a double barrelled word with a hyphen in the middle.

NP: Yo-yo, it is a hyphenated word, yo-yo.

BARRY CRYER: It’s an internal repetition, isn’t it?

NP: No, no, it’s hyphenated, we allow it. So Gyles we’re still with
you...

CF: What, oy-oy?

BC: Yes it is hyphenated.

NP: Yes Clement...

CF: Oy-oy?

NP: Well it must be, he was dyslexic. The hyphen would be there in the
middle whether it’s yo-yo or oy-oy.

BC: It’s still repetition, isn’t it?

NP: No, I think...

CF: Would elephant-elephant not be...

NP: Yes, we allow hyphenated words...

BC: I think Clement’s interruption was one of the finest I’ve ever heard
on this programme.

(and later in the same round)

NP: And so Clement has four seconds on toys I still enjoy starting now.

CF: The toy I most enjoy from my childhood days is called
rhinoceros-rhinoceros!

**************************************************************************
**************
But there was another reference to the first incident later in the same
year - on 8 October 1983, the panel being Kenneth, Clement, John and
Derek Nimmo

NP: And Clement your turn to begin, the subject is weights. You have 60
seconds as usual starting now.

CF: An awful lot of fuss is made about weights, and people come up to
you and say “you are too heavy, far too fat, carry...”

BUZZ

NP: John Junkin.

JOHN JUNKIN: Repetition of too.

NP: Yes but we don’t bother with those sort of...

JJ: Why is it you never bother when I challenge, but you do when someone
equal challenges?

NP: Well we let little words go, if it goes on for more than couple of
times, then I think we might go. And also he’d only just started. But
I’ll tell you what, as you’re the guest John, we won’t charge anything...

CF: Oh I think you should charge him, especially...

NP: Give Clement Freud another point, as it’s the last round, I don’t
think it’s going to make any difference to the result...

CF: He’s not going to win, is he, I mean, it’s not going to...

JJ: Can I just tell the audience that in a previous broadcast Tim Rice
who happens to be rich and famous and powerful, challenged somebody on
yo-yo, for repetition of yo and he allowed it!

NP: I thought that was a very clever challenge! Yes.

CF: Brilliant!

JJ: Now are we, are we playing the rules, or are we playing your opinion?

NP: Well my opinion comes into every judgement I’m afraid.

JJ: (laughs) Oh this is unfair! This is persecution!

NP: It’s an impossible game on which to be chairman, and you know, as I
said, they can’t find any sucker who’ll take it on, so I have to
continue. And er...

DEREK NIMMO: What I want to know is how much you usually charge? I
didn’t know that you had a fee for this. You just said “I’m not going to
charge you anything for this John”.

NP: Well I did offer Derek...

DN: If he’d offered you more money, would you have given him a point?
That’s what I want him to know.

NP: Oh you mean money in the game? Well I have to earn a living somehow.
You don’t think the BBC pay me to do this job, do you?

DN: I should hope not! I should think you’re probably paid by Capital
Radio to keep their figures up!

NP: I might get some money now from sensitive listeners in all those
far-flung parts of the um... oh...

BUZZ

JJ: Hesitation. Oh sorry!

NP: Right anyway, send your donations in a sealed envelope.

**************************************************************************
*******************
Anyway it all supports your charge of inconsistency I guess - but I
think it also shows how the show is consistently funny!

Dean





On Saturday, December 1, 2007, at 03:26 PM, Robert Torres wrote:

> okay, I'm in a bit of a quandry. 
>  
> a while back I remember listening to a really awesome episode of JAM,
> and I believe that Tim Rice was on the show, and I forget what subject
> was being discussed, but essentially the word 'yo-yo' came up, Clement
> challenged Tim for repetition, and it wasn't allowed because it was
> hyphenated.  I think the subject had something to do with favorite toys
> or something.  and towards the end of the subject, Clement gets in
> again, and says 'My favorite toy I remember having was called
> 'rhinoceros-rhinoceros', and then the whistle went. 
>  
> then much later on came the episode where Tim appeared with John Junkin
> and Maureen Lipman, and Tim challenged Maureen for repetition of 'yo'
> when she said 'yo-yo', and Nicholas allowed it for Tim when he didn't
> allow it for Clement. 
>  
> now, i'm just trying to figure out which episode it was, because it had
> to have come before, but I can't seem to locate it in any of the
> episodes available for download, either that or it's one of the eps
> where that particular round was cut or something. 
>  
> does anyone else know what I'm talking about? 
>
>
>

>
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> how.
>

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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 3 / 7
lindaDec 1, 2007
 

 
--- In just-a-minute@..., Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:

>
> Dean, thank you for helping to straighten it all out for me, and

you're right, it supports the argument of the inconsistency of
Nicholas's decisions, but does showcase just how the show is always
funny.


simeple question robert . so you think the show would be as funny if
nicholas got every desicion right ? my own opinion would be no . after
all this is not vitally inportant in the grand scheme of things it is
only a radio comedy show !
cheers
Linda

 
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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 4 / 7
Robert TorresDec 1, 2007
 

 

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dean, thank you for helping to straighten it all out for me, and
you're right, it supports the argument of the inconsistency of
Nicholas's decisions, but does showcase just how the show is always
funny.

simeple question robert . so you think the show would be as funny if
nicholas got every desicion right ? my own opinion would be no . after
all this is not vitally inportant in the grand scheme of things it is
only a radio comedy show !
cheers
Linda

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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 5 / 7
Dean BedfordDec 1, 2007
 

 
On Sunday, December 2, 2007, at 07:25 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> just to clarify, I don't think that the show would be funnier if
> Nicholas got every decision right, cuz if he did many wonderful moments
> of him being sent up would never occur.  what I mean is that I wish
> that he could be more consistently fair, because after firmly
> establishing something one minute and then forgetting about it the next
> minute can be very irritating, and very unfair to other panelists

just curious - does it also bother you that I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue,
they talk a lot about points and scores - but never give them out? Does
that ruin the show for you?

 
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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 6 / 7
Anthony HobsonDec 1, 2007
 

 

 
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Topic: Re: Yo=yo, repetition

Message 7 / 7
Robert TorresDec 1, 2007
 

 
not really, because by its very nature 'ISIHAC' is in fact the antidote to panel games, it actually makes it funnier when they mention something about the score and points, and then never announce what the current score is, the idea that they are leaving you hanging and then move on to something else is quite funny, because its the idea that it plays with people's expectations, which is really nice actually. 

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Sunday, December 2, 2007, at 07:25 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> just to clarify, I don't think that the show would be funnier if
> Nicholas got every decision right, cuz if he did many wonderful moments
> of him being sent up would never occur.  what I mean is that I wish
> that he could be more consistently fair, because after firmly
> establishing something one minute and then forgetting about it the next
> minute can be very irritating, and very unfair to other panelists

just curious - does it also bother you that I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue,
they talk a lot about points and scores - but never give them out? Does
that ruin the show for you?

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