Just A Minute

>Robert,
>
>Am I right in thinking you're American? I'm sure I've read posts from
>you in the past where you have alluded to this fact. Plus, the
>inclusion of the "L" in your name would suggest this is so (Americans
>do like to include their middle initial far more than Brits - I'd be
>even more delighted if your username was Robert L. Torres III)
>
>Anyway, the phrase "Hoist by your own petard" still passes as
>conversational currency in these Isles, and generally gets trotted
>out when some instance of sheer hypocrisy or chicanery is exposed...
>the word "petard" comes from the French, and is one of those handful
>of Gallic words which entered the English language centuries ago and
>somehow stuck... don't ask me what it means, but I suspect it has
>naval connotations.
>
>
>--- In just-a-minute@..., "Robert L. Torres"
><bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to take a moment and discuss the frequent use of this,
>quite
>> frankly, ridiculous phrase in Just a Minute.... that such and such
>a
>> person was 'hoist with his or her own petard'. What the hell is a
>> petard anyway?
>>
>> This has been used so often throughout the show's history, and I
>> think it was started by Kenneth Williams whenever someone that
>> challenged another person so smugly or dared to challenge him so
>> smugly, he would retaliate by saying that they had been 'hoist with
>> their own petard', very much reveling in his behavior of an overly
>> petulant five year old.
>>
>> it's not the sort of thing that's even used nowadays, in fact the
>> only person that would say that phrase is Nicholas, and frankly the
>> fact that it's been used so often much like the phrase 'benefit of
>> the doubt', it's lost all meaning, frankly I'm glad they don't use
>> that phrase anymore, as it has no place in the series the way it is
>> now.
>>
>> i'm curious as to what people think about this particular phrase
>> whether they liked it or not or if anyone can recall any instances
>> where something humourous has emerged surrounding this particular
>> phrase.
>>
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> As an American, I can vouch that, while not used much
> conversationally, the phrase is reasonably well-known here. As to
> its origins, the following is a good reference:
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> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hoist%20by%20your%20own%

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> Greg

Robert,

Am I right in thinking you're American? I'm sure I've read posts from
you in the past where you have alluded to this fact. Plus, the
inclusion of the "L" in your name would suggest this is so (Americans
do like to include their middle initial far more than Brits - I'd be
even more delighted if your username was Robert L. Torres III)

Anyway, the phrase "Hoist by your own petard" still passes as
conversational currency in these Isles, and generally gets trotted
out when some instance of sheer hypocrisy or chicanery is exposed...
the word "petard" comes from the French, and is one of those handful
of Gallic words which entered the English language centuries ago and
somehow stuck... don't ask me what it means, but I suspect it has
naval connotations.

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "Robert L. Torres"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to take a moment and discuss the frequent use of this,
quite
> frankly, ridiculous phrase in Just a Minute.... that such and such
a
> person was 'hoist with his or her own petard'. What the hell is a
> petard anyway?
>
> This has been used so often throughout the show's history, and I
> think it was started by Kenneth Williams whenever someone that
> challenged another person so smugly or dared to challenge him so
> smugly, he would retaliate by saying that they had been 'hoist with
> their own petard', very much reveling in his behavior of an overly
> petulant five year old.
>
> it's not the sort of thing that's even used nowadays, in fact the
> only person that would say that phrase is Nicholas, and frankly the
> fact that it's been used so often much like the phrase 'benefit of
> the doubt', it's lost all meaning, frankly I'm glad they don't use
> that phrase anymore, as it has no place in the series the way it is
> now.
>
> i'm curious as to what people think about this particular phrase
> whether they liked it or not or if anyone can recall any instances
> where something humourous has emerged surrounding this particular
> phrase.
>

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> I'd like to take a moment and discuss the frequent use of this, quite
> frankly, ridiculous phrase in Just a Minute.... that such and such a
> person was 'hoist with his or her own petard'. What the hell is a
> petard anyway?

>
> I'd like to take a moment and discuss the frequent use of this, quite
> frankly, ridiculous phrase in Just a Minute.... that such and such a
> person was 'hoist with his or her own petard'. What the hell is a
> petard anyway?
>
> This has been used so often throughout the show's history, and I
> think it was started by Kenneth Williams whenever someone that
> challenged another person so smugly or dared to challenge him so
> smugly, he would retaliate by saying that they had been 'hoist with
> their own petard', very much reveling in his behavior of an overly
> petulant five year old.
>
> it's not the sort of thing that's even used nowadays, in fact the
> only person that would say that phrase is Nicholas, and frankly the
> fact that it's been used so often much like the phrase 'benefit of
> the doubt', it's lost all meaning, frankly I'm glad they don't use
> that phrase anymore, as it has no place in the series the way it is
> now.
>
> i'm curious as to what people think about this particular phrase
> whether they liked it or not or if anyone can recall any instances
> where something humourous has emerged surrounding this particular
> phrase.
>

> Hi
>
> I think 'hoist with one's own petard' is a fabulous phrase which I use
> and is one of the many joys of english. a petard is a small explosive
> device, and so it's similar to shooting yourself in the foot - you've
> been taken by your own trick. But has a unique flavour subtly
> different to 'synonymous' phrases (like the afore mentioned hunting
> accident).
>
> Jeremy
>
> PS has anyone ever suggested that we write here using JAM rules?

Hi

I think 'hoist with one's own petard' is a fabulous phrase which I use
and is one of the many joys of english. a petard is a small explosive
device, and so it's similar to shooting yourself in the foot - you've
been taken by your own trick. But has a unique flavour subtly
different to 'synonymous' phrases (like the afore mentioned hunting
accident).

Jeremy

PS has anyone ever suggested that we write here using JAM rules?

pps while checking the meaning of petard i passed by one of my pet
peeves in english - the difference between sewage and sewerage and the
number times people get it wrong

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "Robert L. Torres"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to take a moment and discuss the frequent use of this, quite
> frankly, ridiculous phrase in Just a Minute.... that such and such a
> person was 'hoist with his or her own petard'. What the hell is a
> petard anyway?
>
> This has been used so often throughout the show's history, and I
> think it was started by Kenneth Williams whenever someone that
> challenged another person so smugly or dared to challenge him so
> smugly, he would retaliate by saying that they had been 'hoist with
> their own petard', very much reveling in his behavior of an overly
> petulant five year old.
>
> it's not the sort of thing that's even used nowadays, in fact the
> only person that would say that phrase is Nicholas, and frankly the
> fact that it's been used so often much like the phrase 'benefit of
> the doubt', it's lost all meaning, frankly I'm glad they don't use
> that phrase anymore, as it has no place in the series the way it is
> now.
>
> i'm curious as to what people think about this particular phrase
> whether they liked it or not or if anyone can recall any instances
> where something humourous has emerged surrounding this particular
> phrase.
>

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--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2008, at 09:41 AM, jeremy_keens wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I think 'hoist with one's own petard' is a fabulous phrase which I use
> > and is one of the many joys of english. a petard is a small explosive
> > device, and so it's similar to shooting yourself in the foot - you've
> > been taken by your own trick. But has a unique flavour subtly
> > different to 'synonymous' phrases (like the afore mentioned hunting
> > accident).
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > PS has anyone ever suggested that we write here using JAM rules?
>
> BUZZ - deviation ;-)
>

> Nice one dean, fair cop
> and I don't deserve the benefit of any doubt
>
> Jeremy

> PS has anyone ever suggested that we write here using JAM rules?

> I'd like to take a moment and discuss the frequent use of this, quite

> frankly, ridiculous phrase in Just a Minute....

 

I am assuming this is not a Troll

 

> What the hell is a petard anyway?

Have you not used Google before ?

> it's not the sort of thing that's even used nowadays

I beg to differ, it is in common use here in the UK, often by myself

Part of the beautiful English language, as used by Shakespeare et al *

Obviously not the case in the US. <sigh>

 

* et al is a Latin phrase, again, often used in the UK meaning 'and others'

 

> in fact the only person that would say that phrase is Nicholas

again, not true

 

> i'm curious as to what people think

well, you did ask

Cheers

 

Don    __o
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