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Topic: Re: spam email

Message 1 / 6
Dean BedfordApr 5, 2008
 

 
On Saturday, April 5, 2008, at 05:05 AM, Tim wrote:

> linda wrote:
> > sadly with yahoo groups people can
> > just join if they want to and spam if they want to .
>
> That's not true - groups can be Moderated such that all posts must be
> approved by a Moderator before they even appear on the list.
>
> I'm a Moderator on another Yahoo! group, and I just get an e-mail each
> time someone posts a message. To approve the message, I just hit Reply
> and Send, and only then does the message get sent to the group.
>
> All new users are automatically set to Moderated. After they have
> proved themselves to be fine, upstanding citizens, the moderation can
> be lifted on a per-user basis.
>

Have waited a day to see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this. I'm
not very keen on having someone - even me! - moderating the emails of
others. But willing to hear what the rest of the list thinks...

cheers, D

 
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Topic: Re: spam email

Message 2 / 6
kjnaughtonApr 6, 2008
 

 
--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

>
> Have waited a day to see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this. I'm
> not very keen on having someone - even me! - moderating the emails of
> others. But willing to hear what the rest of the list thinks...
>
> cheers, D
>

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> Have waited a day to see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this. I'm
> not very keen on having someone - even me! - moderating the emails of
> others. But willing to hear what the rest of the list thinks...
>
> cheers, D
>

FWIW, my opinion is that the volume of spam we get on this list is
really very low, especially when compared with the volume of spam I
get from other sources. One just one of my domains we received over
10,000 spam emails in three days last week. And the type of spam we
receive here is no worse than can be found elsewhere either.

It seems to me that the disadvantages of a moderated group presently
outweigh the disadvantages of getting the odd spam message or rogue
"joinee".

As I see it, a moderated group would take up at least two people's
time. Even at a low level, I don't think that's warranted. And
that's leaving aside ethical and philosophical considerations about
moderation (read censorship).

However I don't have a strong opinion either way. If the consensus is
that moderation is required, so be it. I just don't presently see the
need.

Hope this helps,

kJ

 
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Topic: Re: spam email

Message 3 / 6
BikerDonApr 6, 2008
 

 
I agree, we don't need to bother - not yet anyway.

90% of email on the Internet is spam - we still get small fry compared to
that.

If I don't check my email every day it takes AGES, getting on for 100 spams
per day.
Most of them caught by the spam filter, until recently that is.

Those pesky spammers learn what the filters trigger on and work round it.
Filter writers then change the filters to trap it, spammers change spam,
then round
they go again and again and again....

If only recipients would not respond the spammers wouldn't do it but
unfortunately
many people are too stupid or naive to ignore and delete.

A colleague of mine at work is in Internet security and, apparently, people
in the
UK are more likely to respond to spam email than anyone else in, at least
Europe. <sigh>

Rant over, feel better now. Sorry.

 
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Topic: Re: spam email

Message 4 / 6
TimApr 7, 2008
 

 
Dean Bedford wrote:

>
> Have waited a day to see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this. I'm
> not very keen on having someone - even me! - moderating the emails of
> others. But willing to hear what the rest of the list thinks...

Dean - you wouldn't need to moderate every message. Once a user has
made a couple of proper contributions to the group, and has thus
proved themselves to be a genuine person and not a spammer, the
requirement to moderate that user can be lifted. All of that person's
messages then appear on the list immediately without requiring
moderation.

The only time you'd need to moderate would be for a newly-subscribed
user making their first (or maybe second) post to the list.

Just an idea :-)

Tim.

 
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Topic: Re: spam email

Message 5 / 6
Gregory AugerApr 7, 2008
 

 
I think I agree with Dean here at the moment. We simply don't get much spam here at the moment - it's not worth it.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Tim <tim@...> wrote:

Dean Bedford wrote:
>
> Have waited a day to see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this. I'm
> not very keen on having someone - even me! - moderating the emails of
> others. But willing to hear what the rest of the list thinks...

Dean - you wouldn't need to moderate every message. Once a user has
made a couple of proper contributions to the group, and has thus
proved themselves to be a genuine person and not a spammer, the
requirement to moderate that user can be lifted. All of that person's
messages then appear on the list immediately without requiring
moderation.

The only time you'd need to moderate would be for a newly-subscribed
user making their first (or maybe second) post to the list.

Just an idea :-)

Tim.

 
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Topic: Re: spam email

Message 6 / 6
Dean BedfordApr 8, 2008
 

 
On Tuesday, April 8, 2008, at 05:19 AM, Tim wrote:

> Dean Bedford wrote:
> >
> > Have waited a day to see if anyone else wants to weigh in on this. I'm
> > not very keen on having someone - even me! - moderating the emails of
> > others. But willing to hear what the rest of the list thinks...
>
> Dean - you wouldn't need to moderate every message. Once a user has
> made a couple of proper contributions to the group, and has thus
> proved themselves to be a genuine person and not a spammer, the
> requirement to moderate that user can be lifted. All of that person's
> messages then appear on the list immediately without requiring
> moderation.
>
> The only time you'd need to moderate would be for a newly-subscribed
> user making their first (or maybe second) post to the list.
>

Tim I really appreciate your posting the idea - I didn't realise I could
moderate some and not others. Appreciate you adding to my knowledge and
possibly that of others.

At the moment though there doesn't seem to be enough support to do
this - but it's something to keep in mind if the spam problem gets worse.

cheers, Dean