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>
> When did the rules about repetition change? I was listening to to

> and during the round about the 'advantages of not being on the

> challenges are made for other peoples repetition. i.e. Clement says

> says month, and the third person challenges (successfully) for the

>
> Furthermore dieting, the next subject on the card, was also

> people said it again.
>
> So when did the rules change to only cover your own words rather

> in a round?
>
> Likewise when did you become able to repeat the words on the card?
>

> When did the rules about repetition change? I was listening to to 4x38
> (6 October 1969)
> and during the round about the 'advantages of not being on the
> telephone' several
> challenges are made for other peoples repetition. i.e. Clement says
> month, someone else
> says month, and the third person challenges (successfully) for the
> repetition of month.
>
> Furthermore dieting, the next subject on the card, was also challenged
> for repetition when
> people said it again.
>
> So when did the rules change to only cover your own words rather than
> everybody's words
> in a round?
>
> Likewise when did you become able to repeat the words on the card?

> On Tuesday, February 6, 2007, at 05:07 AM, wednesday.keller wrote:
>
>> When did the rules about repetition change? I was listening to to 4x38
>> (6 October 1969)
>> and during the round about the 'advantages of not being on the
>> telephone' several
>> challenges are made for other peoples repetition. i.e. Clement says
>> month, someone else
>> says month, and the third person challenges (successfully) for the
>> repetition of month.
>>
>> Furthermore dieting, the next subject on the card, was also challenged
>> for repetition when
>> people said it again.
>>
>> So when did the rules change to only cover your own words rather than
>> everybody's words
>> in a round?
>>
>> Likewise when did you become able to repeat the words on the card?
>
> No specific dates - I think rules and interpretations were somewhat
> refined over the first year or two. They also gave away the idea of
> having specific rounds where you couldn't say "the" and so on... But
> as has already been noted here, Nicholas has always had a somewhat
> flexible interpretation of the rules.
>

When did the rules about repetition change? I was listening to to 4x38 (6 October 1969)
and during the round about the 'advantages of not being on the telephone' several
challenges are made for other peoples repetition. i.e. Clement says month, someone else
says month, and the third person challenges (successfully) for the repetition of month.

Furthermore dieting, the next subject on the card, was also challenged for repetition when
people said it again.

So when did the rules change to only cover your own words rather than everybody's words
in a round?

Likewise when did you become able to repeat the words on the card?

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I don't have the exact answers to your qustions, but the 'Just A
classic Minute' CD has a commentary from Nicholas Parsons prior to
each of the four shows where he waxes lyrical about the changes to
the game format as it developed over time.

I'm not sure its all entirely accurate actually, along with other
comments I've heard/read about in the past - for example the timing
of experimenting with swapping chairmen each episode - the people
involved seem to have differing recollections and this becomes
apparent as you listen again to older episodes. Sometimes they are
out by years.

Changs to the deviation rule are also apparent as are other
developments to the repetition rule besides the ones you mention,
such as whether or not you can repeat the words on the card.

Nicholas refers to this in terms of a professional and evolutionary
approach as though all carefully planned out to help the game stay
fresh and give it its longevity. However, while this may be true to a
degree, when you listen to many of the episodes from the late 60s,
early 70s, it becomes quite obvious that some of the rules are
evolving mid-game, much to the disgust of the players and the ensuing
hilarity caused by Nicholas' confused judgements.

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "wednesday.keller"
<wednesday.keller@ ...> wrote:
>
> When did the rules about repetition change? I was listening to to
4x38 (6 October 1969)
> and during the round about the 'advantages of not being on the
telephone' several
> challenges are made for other peoples repetition. i.e. Clement says
month, someone else
> says month, and the third person challenges (successfully) for the
repetition of month.
>
> Furthermore dieting, the next subject on the card, was also
challenged for repetition when
> people said it again.
>
> So when did the rules change to only cover your own words rather
than everybody's words
> in a round?
>
> Likewise when did you become able to repeat the words on the card?
>

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No specific dates - I think rules and interpretations were somewhat
refined over the first year or two. They also gave away the idea of
having specific rounds where you couldn't say "the" and so on... But as
has already been noted here, Nicholas has always had a somewhat flexible
interpretation of the rules.

if it wasn't repetition I'd say, you can say that again.  :) 

 

I always found the rounds where you couldn't say things like 'the', 'and' 'a' or 'I' to be terribly funny as the panelists tried to struggle around those things in addition to the other restrictions.  but I am glad they got rid of it though. 

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On Tuesday, February 6, 2007, at 08:04 AM, Dean Bedford wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 6, 2007, at 05:07 AM, wednesday.keller wrote:
>
>> When did the rules about repetition change? I was listening to to 4x38
>> (6 October 1969)
>> and during the round about the 'advantages of not being on the
>> telephone' several
>> challenges are made for other peoples repetition. i.e. Clement says
>> month, someone else
>> says month, and the third person challenges (successfully) for the
>> repetition of month.
>>
>> Furthermore dieting, the next subject on the card, was also challenged
>> for repetition when
>> people said it again.
>>
>> So when did the rules change to only cover your own words rather than
>> everybody's words
>> in a round?
>>
>> Likewise when did you become able to repeat the words on the card?
>
> No specific dates - I think rules and interpretations were somewhat
> refined over the first year or two. They also gave away the idea of
> having specific rounds where you couldn't say "the" and so on... But
> as has already been noted here, Nicholas has always had a somewhat
> flexible interpretation of the rules.
>

just to add - in some ways what is amazing is that the rules really
haven't changed much at all over 40 years. What geniuses David Hatch and
Ian Messiter were - the basic format still works from a generation of
performers very different to the original ones.

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> *raises eyebrow quizzically* the rules haven't changed much over the
> years.... riiiiight.

> it was something of a see saw type of thing when the rules of
> repetition changed, I think it started in 1969, and then became a bit
> more firmly established by the early 70's, but even then there was
> still a problem with regards to the various forms of a word because
> someone could challenge on repetition of dance even though a person had
> said 'dancing' beforehand, and also people who had some rather clever
> challenges with regards to repetition, especially if they were new to
> the show, like in the case of Alfred Marks.  On his debut he challenged
> Clement Freud for repetition of 'myself' even though the subject on the
> card was 'How I Restrain Myself'.  and then much later on it became an
> issue that you weren't allowed to repeat the subject on the card
> incessantly because as Nick would put it, 'it makes a nonsense of the
> game' or 'becomes a non-event as a show' which I guess is a valid
> point. 
>

On Tuesday, February 6, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Robert Torres wrote:

> *raises eyebrow quizzically* the rules haven't changed much over the
> years.... riiiiight.

the rules haven't changed in about 38 years. No hesitation, repetition
or deviation, extra point as the whistle goes, etc etc. There have never
been an extra rules added or these changed.

I repeat what I said - they refined the rules in the first year or so,
since then the rules have been the same.

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On Tuesday, February 6, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Robert Torres wrote:

> it was something of a see saw type of thing when the rules of
> repetition changed, I think it started in 1969, and then became a bit
> more firmly established by the early 70's, but even then there was
> still a problem with regards to the various forms of a word because
> someone could challenge on repetition of dance even though a person had
> said 'dancing' beforehand, and also people who had some rather clever
> challenges with regards to repetition, especially if they were new to
> the show, like in the case of Alfred Marks.  On his debut he challenged
> Clement Freud for repetition of 'myself' even though the subject on the
> card was 'How I Restrain Myself'.  and then much later on it became an
> issue that you weren't allowed to repeat the subject on the card
> incessantly because as Nick would put it, 'it makes a nonsense of the
> game' or 'becomes a non-event as a show' which I guess is a valid
> point. 
>

you're turning one off decisions into rule changes. Have you never seen
an umpire make a decision in a football match which the TV cameras show
to be wrong or inconsistent? That doesn't make the decision a change in
the rules of football.

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--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

Well this is true (except the change from
Deviation From The Subject [on the card] to just Deviation)
- its the interpretation of the rules hat has changed. A classic
example being the interpretation of Repetition in the case of
hyphenated words. I think this changed later than the first couple of
years, the changes that were messed about with early on were the
introduction of such things as not being able to say 'the' etc from
time to time, but happily this was dropped. As you say, the format was
quite brilliant and really doesn't need gimicks such as that.

>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2007, at 12:11 PM, Robert Torres wrote:
>
> the rules haven't changed in about 38 years. No hesitation,
repetition
> or deviation, extra point as the whistle goes, etc etc. There have
never
> been an extra rules added or these changed.
>
> I repeat what I said - they refined the rules in the first year or
so,
> since then the rules have been the same.
>