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Topic: Brief but Memorable

Message 1 / 19
bobbyshaddoe3004Feb 5, 2007
 
 
I thought it would be something nice to start off a thread to discuss
those unsung men and women who had a very brief time on the series but
shone brightly with their contribution and definitely deserved to be on
the show more often.

when I think of this the first person that comes to mind has to be Dr.
Magnus Pyke. during the four episodes he appeared in, he was
extraordinary, he took the game very seriously, but was very
informative and entertaining because of his eccentric nature and
definitely deserved to be on the show more often during the late 70's.

another person that comes to mind is Tommy Trinder, both of his
appearances were classics. he may have struggled with the game itself,
but was great with the comedy portion, and contributed more inbetween
the rounds with the banter and humor and seemed very much at home
amongst the likes of Kenneth, Peter and Clement.

Anyone else care to contribute?
 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 2 / 19
j_a_m_fanFeb 5, 2007
 
 
--- In just-a-minute@..., "bobbyshaddoe3004"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
I certainly agree that the Tommy Trinder episodes were hilarious (in
fact I have the pair on a CD entitled 'Chaos With Tommy Trinder') -
but I'm not surprised we heard no more from him.
As all comedians do, they fall back on old jokes that often come over
to the audience as ready wit when in fact many of these one-liners
are literally their stock-in-trade. In Trinder's case, his stock was
from a previous age and even in the 70s was too close to the bone for
a politically correct Radio 4 including lines that would definitely
be called racist today and no doubt the feminists of the time would
have much to say about his performances.

The name I would like people to consider is recent; Charles
Collingwood. Not necessarily because of his contributions, but
because in the first few episodes he appeared in the chemisty with
Clement, Paul and Tony Hawks seemed to produce some of the most
hilarious episodes of recent times. In fact I challenge anyone to
come up with a funnier pair of episodes from one recording than the
two from Wimbledon that this foursome produced #558 "The Wombles" and
#560 "Ballroom Dancing" in 2003. I might go so far as to
say "Ballroom Dancing" is my favourite ever episode and is certainly
the one I encourage people to listen to when I am introducing them to
JAM.
Perhaps as he appears more and becomes more accomplished the novelty
will wear off - but so far this blundering "new boy" has repeatedly
had me in stitches.
>
> I thought it would be something nice to start off a thread to
discuss
> those unsung men and women who had a very brief time on the series
but
> shone brightly with their contribution and definitely deserved to
be on
> the show more often.
>
>
> another person that comes to mind is Tommy Trinder, both of his
> appearances were classics. he may have struggled with the game
itself,
> but was great with the comedy portion, and contributed more
inbetween
> the rounds with the banter and humor and seemed very much at home
> amongst the likes of Kenneth, Peter and Clement.
>
> Anyone else care to contribute?
>

 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 3 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
ah yes, Charles Collingwood, he is another of my favs.  only because he is a legitimate actor and not a stand up  comedian.  actually one of my favorite bits I think came from last year or even the year before, I'm not sure, when he was on the panel with Paul, Tony and Sue Perkins, and the subject was 'Admiral Collingwood' and just as he gets going he has the subject taken away and soon people start saying outrageous things about this man who was in fact Charles' ancestor, and Charles gets so upset he starts challenging and not only that throws such a tantrum that would make even Kenneth Williams proud, because it reminded me once of something similar that happened to Kenneth when he was on the panel with Clement, Derek and Patrick Moore and the subject was 'McGreegy' or something, and Kenneth had read up all about the man and had lots to say and has the subject taken away from him when he hardly gotten going and was so upset, but not quite to the same level that Charles was upset though. 
 
Bob Monkhouse is also someone that comes to mind, he made only one appearance, but I certainly remember his contribution, my favorite bits had to be when he spouted off an excellent list of one line gags while on the subject of 'One Line Gags', definitely deserved at least one more appearance. 

j_a_m_fan <j_a_m_fan@...> wrote:
--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "bobbyshaddoe3004"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
I certainly agree that the Tommy Trinder episodes were hilarious (in
fact I have the pair on a CD entitled 'Chaos With Tommy Trinder') -
but I'm not surprised we heard no more from him.
As all comedians do, they fall back on old jokes that often come over
to the audience as ready wit when in fact many of these one-liners
are literally their stock-in-trade. In Trinder's case, his stock was
from a previous age and even in the 70s was too close to the bone for
a politically correct Radio 4 including lines that would definitely
be called racist today and no doubt the feminists of the time would
have much to say about his performances.

The name I would like people to consider is recent; Charles
Collingwood. Not necessarily because of his contributions, but
because in the first few episodes he appeared in the chemisty with
Clement, Paul and Tony Hawks seemed to produce some of the most
hilarious episodes of recent times. In fact I challenge anyone to
come up with a funnier pair of episodes from one recording than the
two from Wimbledon that this foursome produced #558 "The Wombles" and
#560 "Ballroom Dancing" in 2003. I might go so far as to
say "Ballroom Dancing" is my favourite ever episode and is certainly
the one I encourage people to listen to when I am introducing them to
JAM.
Perhaps as he appears more and becomes more accomplished the novelty
will wear off - but so far this blundering "new boy" has repeatedly
had me in stitches.
>
> I thought it would be something nice to start off a thread to
discuss
> those unsung men and women who had a very brief time on the series
but
> shone brightly with their contribution and definitely deserved to
be on
> the show more often.
>
>
> another person that comes to mind is Tommy Trinder, both of his
> appearances were classics. he may have struggled with the game
itself,
> but was great with the comedy portion, and contributed more
inbetween
> the rounds with the banter and humor and seemed very much at home
> amongst the likes of Kenneth, Peter and Clement.
>
> Anyone else care to contribute?
>



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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 4 / 19
j_a_m_fanFeb 6, 2007
 
 
Yes, I almost mentioned that Charles Collingwood episode but thought
I'd gone on too much already. happily i think we will see him back -
because he helps with a different blend as he is an actor as you say.

Bob monkhouse was excellent, such a professional, but it was in that
series where a special guest came along for each episode and the
experiment was never repeated, Kenny Everett was another. I also
remember Lorraine Chase, a flash-in-the-pan 'star' of the time with
the unlikely catch phrase of 'Luton airport'. She was utterly
hopeless and out of her depth but caused much hilarity, especially
when Peter Jones started chatting her up. Clement Freud can be heard
laughing so much in the background he must have nearly fallen off his
chair.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
>
> ah yes, Charles Collingwood, he is another of my favs. only
because he is a legitimate actor and not a stand up comedian.
actually one of my favorite bits I think came from last year or even
the year before, I'm not sure, when he was on the panel with Paul,
Tony and Sue Perkins, and the subject was 'Admiral Collingwood' and
just as he gets going he has the subject taken away and soon people
start saying outrageous things about this man who was in fact
Charles' ancestor, and Charles gets so upset he starts challenging
and not only that throws such a tantrum that would make even Kenneth
Williams proud, because it reminded me once of something similar that
happened to Kenneth when he was on the panel with Clement, Derek and
Patrick Moore and the subject was 'McGreegy' or something, and
Kenneth had read up all about the man and had lots to say and has the
subject taken away from him when he hardly gotten going and was so
upset, but not quite to the same level that Charles
> was upset though.
>
> Bob Monkhouse is also someone that comes to mind, he made only
one appearance, but I certainly remember his contribution, my
favorite bits had to be when he spouted off an excellent list of one
line gags while on the subject of 'One Line Gags', definitely
deserved at least one more appearance.
>
> j_a_m_fan <j_a_m_fan@...> wrote:
> --- In just-a-minute@..., "bobbyshaddoe3004"
> <bobbyshaddoe3004@> wrote:
> I certainly agree that the Tommy Trinder episodes were hilarious
(in
> fact I have the pair on a CD entitled 'Chaos With Tommy Trinder') -
> but I'm not surprised we heard no more from him.
> As all comedians do, they fall back on old jokes that often come
over
> to the audience as ready wit when in fact many of these one-liners
> are literally their stock-in-trade. In Trinder's case, his stock
was
> from a previous age and even in the 70s was too close to the bone
for
> a politically correct Radio 4 including lines that would definitely
> be called racist today and no doubt the feminists of the time would
> have much to say about his performances.
>
> The name I would like people to consider is recent; Charles
> Collingwood. Not necessarily because of his contributions, but
> because in the first few episodes he appeared in the chemisty with
> Clement, Paul and Tony Hawks seemed to produce some of the most
> hilarious episodes of recent times. In fact I challenge anyone to
> come up with a funnier pair of episodes from one recording than the
> two from Wimbledon that this foursome produced #558 "The Wombles"
and
> #560 "Ballroom Dancing" in 2003. I might go so far as to
> say "Ballroom Dancing" is my favourite ever episode and is
certainly
> the one I encourage people to listen to when I am introducing them
to
> JAM.
> Perhaps as he appears more and becomes more accomplished the
novelty
> will wear off - but so far this blundering "new boy" has repeatedly
> had me in stitches.
> >
> > I thought it would be something nice to start off a thread to
> discuss
> > those unsung men and women who had a very brief time on the
series
> but
> > shone brightly with their contribution and definitely deserved to
> be on
> > the show more often.
> >
> >
> > another person that comes to mind is Tommy Trinder, both of his
> > appearances were classics. he may have struggled with the game
> itself,
> > but was great with the comedy portion, and contributed more
> inbetween
> > the rounds with the banter and humor and seemed very much at home
> > amongst the likes of Kenneth, Peter and Clement.
> >
> > Anyone else care to contribute?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 5 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
That's why I brought up this particular discussion, because it even extends to those who made just one appearance and never returned.  its interesting you mention Lorraine Chase, cuz I seem to recall her episode being amongst the first I listened to when I first got interested in JAM.
 
and for a while, I actually confused her with Aimi MacDonald, not sure why, only because I was rather unfamiliar with the importance of the people who appeared on JAM at the time.   
 
anyway, she may have been hopeless at the game, but she was quite funny and caused great hilarity that's for sure, she made an impact on my memory, I love the bit where she and Peter were chatting up, flirting and arranging to go out on a date after the show.  my favorite bit is when Lorraine starts pondering and philosophizing on the notion of whether 'umms' 'errs' and so on could be considered hesitation, since for years she's used those things and came to think of them as actual words. 
 
getting back to Tommy Trinder, considering that I only marginally know certain things that were the stock and trade of musical hall acts, I guess its not all that surprising that most of the jokes and comedy routines could've been either racist or even sexist to a certain extent, because it all stems from a certain standpoint about the actual timeframe itself I believe.  but then again certain jokes nowadays could be seen as being racist and/or sexist, but I guess it would depend on who is telling the actual jokes. but he was definitely a very welcome presence on the show, even for only two appearances.
 
someone else that springs to mind is Peter Cook, he hit all the right chords of the show from the very get go, challenging Kenneth within the first second of him speaking and essentially putting his stamp on things, and making his presence felt with exquisite style.  definitely had the makings to be a regular, but alas only made three appearances. 
 
 
j_a_m_fan <j_a_m_fan@...> wrote:
Yes, I almost mentioned that Charles Collingwood episode but thought
I'd gone on too much already. happily i think we will see him back -
because he helps with a different blend as he is an actor as you say.

Bob monkhouse was excellent, such a professional, but it was in that
series where a special guest came along for each episode and the
experiment was never repeated, Kenny Everett was another. I also
remember Lorraine Chase, a flash-in-the- pan 'star' of the time with
the unlikely catch phrase of 'Luton airport'. She was utterly
hopeless and out of her depth but caused much hilarity, especially
when Peter Jones started chatting her up. Clement Freud can be heard
laughing so much in the background he must have nearly fallen off his
chair.

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> ah yes, Charles Collingwood, he is another of my favs. only
because he is a legitimate actor and not a stand up comedian.
actually one of my favorite bits I think came from last year or even
the year before, I'm not sure, when he was on the panel with Paul,
Tony and Sue Perkins, and the subject was 'Admiral Collingwood' and
just as he gets going he has the subject taken away and soon people
start saying outrageous things about this man who was in fact
Charles' ancestor, and Charles gets so upset he starts challenging
and not only that throws such a tantrum that would make even Kenneth
Williams proud, because it reminded me once of something similar that
happened to Kenneth when he was on the panel with Clement, Derek and
Patrick Moore and the subject was 'McGreegy' or something, and
Kenneth had read up all about the man and had lots to say and has the
subject taken away from him when he hardly gotten going and was so
upset, but not quite to the same level that Charles
> was upset though.
>
> Bob Monkhouse is also someone that comes to mind, he made only
one appearance, but I certainly remember his contribution, my
favorite bits had to be when he spouted off an excellent list of one
line gags while on the subject of 'One Line Gags', definitely
deserved at least one more appearance.
>
> j_a_m_fan <j_a_m_fan@. ..> wrote:
> --- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "bobbyshaddoe3004"
> <bobbyshaddoe3004@ > wrote:
> I certainly agree that the Tommy Trinder episodes were hilarious
(in
> fact I have the pair on a CD entitled 'Chaos With Tommy Trinder') -
> but I'm not surprised we heard no more from him.
> As all comedians do, they fall back on old jokes that often come
over
> to the audience as ready wit when in fact many of these one-liners
> are literally their stock-in-trade. In Trinder's case, his stock
was
> from a previous age and even in the 70s was too close to the bone
for
> a politically correct Radio 4 including lines that would definitely
> be called racist today and no doubt the feminists of the time would
> have much to say about his performances.
>
> The name I would like people to consider is recent; Charles
> Collingwood. Not necessarily because of his contributions, but
> because in the first few episodes he appeared in the chemisty with
> Clement, Paul and Tony Hawks seemed to produce some of the most
> hilarious episodes of recent times. In fact I challenge anyone to
> come up with a funnier pair of episodes from one recording than the
> two from Wimbledon that this foursome produced #558 "The Wombles"
and
> #560 "Ballroom Dancing" in 2003. I might go so far as to
> say "Ballroom Dancing" is my favourite ever episode and is
certainly
> the one I encourage people to listen to when I am introducing them
to
> JAM.
> Perhaps as he appears more and becomes more accomplished the
novelty
> will wear off - but so far this blundering "new boy" has repeatedly
> had me in stitches.
> >
> > I thought it would be something nice to start off a thread to
> discuss
> > those unsung men and women who had a very brief time on the
series
> but
> > shone brightly with their contribution and definitely deserved to
> be on
> > the show more often.
> >
> >
> > another person that comes to mind is Tommy Trinder, both of his
> > appearances were classics. he may have struggled with the game
> itself,
> > but was great with the comedy portion, and contributed more
> inbetween
> > the rounds with the banter and humor and seemed very much at home
> > amongst the likes of Kenneth, Peter and Clement.
> >
> > Anyone else care to contribute?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 6 / 19
Dean BedfordFeb 6, 2007
 
 
On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 01:48 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> ah yes, Charles Collingwood, he is another of my favs.  only because he
> is a legitimate actor and not a stand up  comedian.  actually one of my
> favorite bits I think came from last year or even the year before, I'm
> not sure, when he was on the panel with Paul, Tony and Sue Perkins, and
> the subject was 'Admiral Collingwood' and just as he gets going he has
> the subject taken away and soon people start saying outrageous things
> about this man who was in fact Charles' ancestor, and Charles gets so
> upset he starts challenging and not only that throws such a tantrum
> that would make even Kenneth Williams proud, because it reminded me
> once of something similar that happened to Kenneth when he was on the
> panel with Clement, Derek and Patrick Moore and the subject was
> 'McGreegy' or something, and Kenneth had read up all about the man and
> had lots to say and has the subject taken away from him when he hardly
> gotten going and was so upset, but not quite to the same level that
> Charles was upset though. 

The subject was "Macready" and Kenneth was so upset he mentioned it in
his diary written when he got home. But as so often with Kenneth when he
was really genuinely aggrieved after an initial burst he actually sulked
rather than keeping on about it.

This is the diary entry.

Friday 29 October 1976

Went to the Paris Studio for JAM. It was awful. Patrick Moore
successfully challenging my line on Macready: "one of the great
actor-managers of England" by saying "England's never been managed." And
the idiot Parsons allowing it! Oh my loathing for this rotten game!




On the last sentence it should be noted that Kenneth's view of the show
was inconsistent - this was his entry for Monday 2 August 1976, just a
couple of months earlier...

Got the contract for JAM and thought "bless the BBC" before I posted
it...
 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 7 / 19
Dean BedfordFeb 6, 2007
 
 
On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 02:08 AM, j_a_m_fan wrote:

> Yes, I almost mentioned that Charles Collingwood episode but thought
> I'd gone on too much already. happily i think we will see him back -
> because he helps with a different blend as he is an actor as you say.
>
> Bob monkhouse was excellent, such a professional, but it was in that
> series where a special guest came along for each episode and the
> experiment was never repeated, Kenny Everett was another. I also
> remember Lorraine Chase, a flash-in-the-pan 'star' of the time with
> the unlikely catch phrase of 'Luton airport'. She was utterly
> hopeless and out of her depth but caused much hilarity, especially
> when Peter Jones started chatting her up. Clement Freud can be heard
> laughing so much in the background he must have nearly fallen off his
> chair.

that's one of my favourite programmes - in the diaries Kenneth says it
was he that asked the producer to include her on the show. I thought
Lorraine was delightful and if memory serves she did come second, albeit
with some help from the others!
 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 8 / 19
Sarah FalkFeb 6, 2007
 
 
Kenneth Williams got so worked up about these things! Such strong
language. I was listening to a Kenneth episode last night and remarked
that I'd have been afraid to challenge him lest I get slapped or
something--not that he would, you know, but he sure had a short fuse
at times. My roommate (not a JAM fan but finds them enjoyable when I
have them playing) is very frightened of him.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

> The subject was "Macready" and Kenneth was so upset he mentioned it in
> his diary written when he got home. But as so often with Kenneth
when he
> was really genuinely aggrieved after an initial burst he actually
sulked
> rather than keeping on about it.
>
> This is the diary entry.
>
> Friday 29 October 1976
>
> Went to the Paris Studio for JAM. It was awful. Patrick Moore
> successfully challenging my line on Macready: "one of the great
> actor-managers of England" by saying "England's never been managed."
And
> the idiot Parsons allowing it! Oh my loathing for this rotten game!
>
>
>
>
> On the last sentence it should be noted that Kenneth's view of the show
> was inconsistent - this was his entry for Monday 2 August 1976, just a
> couple of months earlier...
>
> Got the contract for JAM and thought "bless the BBC" before I posted
> it...
>

 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 9 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
I feel Kenneth's pain, and I'm not surprised he sulked, if I'm not mistaken in the next recording that featured that foursome, Kenneth did everything he could to fit Macready in any and all of the subjects, as a sort of payback for what happened. 

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 01:48 AM, Robert Torres wrote:

> ah yes, Charles Collingwood, he is another of my favs.  only because he
> is a legitimate actor and not a stand up  comedian.  actually one of my
> favorite bits I think came from last year or even the year before, I'm
> not sure, when he was on the panel with Paul, Tony and Sue Perkins, and
> the subject was 'Admiral Collingwood' and just as he gets going he has
> the subject taken away and soon people start saying outrageous things
> about this man who was in fact Charles' ancestor, and Charles gets so
> upset he starts challenging and not only that throws such a tantrum
> that would make even Kenneth Williams proud, because it reminded me
> once of something similar that happened to Kenneth when he was on the
> panel with Clement, Derek and Patrick Moore and the subject was
> 'McGreegy' or something, and Kenneth had read up all about the man and
> had lots to say and has the subject taken away from him when he hardly
> gotten going and was so upset, but not quite to the same level that
> Charles was upset though. 

The subject was "Macready" and Kenneth was so upset he mentioned it in
his diary written when he got home. But as so often with Kenneth when he
was really genuinely aggrieved after an initial burst he actually sulked
rather than keeping on about it.

This is the diary entry.

Friday 29 October 1976

Went to the Paris Studio for JAM. It was awful. Patrick Moore
successfully challenging my line on Macready: "one of the great
actor-managers of England" by saying "England's never been managed." And
the idiot Parsons allowing it! Oh my loathing for this rotten game!




On the last sentence it should be noted that Kenneth's view of the show
was inconsistent - this was his entry for Monday 2 August 1976, just a
couple of months earlier...

Got the contract for JAM and thought "bless the BBC" before I posted
it...


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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 10 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
wow, that is interesting info that Kenneth himself got Lorraine on the show.  now that I think about it, it did seem that the two of them were on friendly terms anyway and it was also on one of those rare occasions when Kenneth didn't go into his tirade about not having women on the show, and even poked fun at her when she couldn't talk on the subject of 'Snuggling' which was very delightful in fact. 
 
I also recall the Kenny Everett episode, I think he had potential, but I think the rules were a bit restricting for Kenny though. 
 
another person that comes to mind is Fenella Fielding, who made one appearance way back in 1969, the poor woman hesitated, repeated and deviated all the way through, but was so damn funny, not even Kenneth challenged her, he was too busy laughing.  she had such a lovely voice and a lovely presence on the show it was just delightful. 

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 02:08 AM, j_a_m_fan wrote:

> Yes, I almost mentioned that Charles Collingwood episode but thought
> I'd gone on too much already. happily i think we will see him back -
> because he helps with a different blend as he is an actor as you say.
>
> Bob monkhouse was excellent, such a professional, but it was in that
> series where a special guest came along for each episode and the
> experiment was never repeated, Kenny Everett was another. I also
> remember Lorraine Chase, a flash-in-the-pan 'star' of the time with
> the unlikely catch phrase of 'Luton airport'. She was utterly
> hopeless and out of her depth but caused much hilarity, especially
> when Peter Jones started chatting her up. Clement Freud can be heard
> laughing so much in the background he must have nearly fallen off his
> chair.

that's one of my favourite programmes - in the diaries Kenneth says it
was he that asked the producer to include her on the show. I thought
Lorraine was delightful and if memory serves she did come second, albeit
with some help from the others!


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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 11 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
here's a bit of trivia, there was one occasion, according to my buddy Dean where a woman actually left the studio in tears rather than put up with Kenneth's tirades.  that episode was never broadcast for obvious reasons. 

Sarah Falk <minerva.moon@...> wrote:
Kenneth Williams got so worked up about these things! Such strong
language. I was listening to a Kenneth episode last night and remarked
that I'd have been afraid to challenge him lest I get slapped or
something--not that he would, you know, but he sure had a short fuse
at times. My roommate (not a JAM fan but finds them enjoyable when I
have them playing) is very frightened of him.

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, Dean Bedford <dbedford@.. .> wrote:

> The subject was "Macready" and Kenneth was so upset he mentioned it in
> his diary written when he got home. But as so often with Kenneth
when he
> was really genuinely aggrieved after an initial burst he actually
sulked
> rather than keeping on about it.
>
> This is the diary entry.
>
> Friday 29 October 1976
>
> Went to the Paris Studio for JAM. It was awful. Patrick Moore
> successfully challenging my line on Macready: "one of the great
> actor-managers of England" by saying "England's never been managed."
And
> the idiot Parsons allowing it! Oh my loathing for this rotten game!
>
>
>
>
> On the last sentence it should be noted that Kenneth's view of the show
> was inconsistent - this was his entry for Monday 2 August 1976, just a
> couple of months earlier...
>
> Got the contract for JAM and thought "bless the BBC" before I posted
> it...
>



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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 12 / 19
Dean BedfordFeb 6, 2007
 
 
On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 04:53 PM, Robert Torres wrote:

> wow, that is interesting info that Kenneth himself got Lorraine on the
> show.  now that I think about it, it did seem that the two of them were
> on friendly terms anyway

they were working together in a play at the time
 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 13 / 19
Sarah FalkFeb 6, 2007
 
 
Yes indeedy.
 
--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 04:53 PM, Robert Torres wrote:
>
> > wow, that is interesting info that Kenneth himself got Lorraine on the
> > show. now that I think about it, it did seem that the two of them were
> > on friendly terms anyway
>
> they were working together in a play at the time
>

 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 14 / 19
DaveFeb 6, 2007
 
 
Wow, I hope a BBC archivist is listening in and sneaks a copy out and
onto the net for us! Blackmarket JAM bootleg episodes .... sounds
good to me.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
>
> here's a bit of trivia, there was one occasion, according to my
buddy Dean where a woman actually left the studio in tears rather
than put up with Kenneth's tirades. that episode was never broadcast
for obvious reasons.
>
> Sarah Falk <minerva.moon@...> wrote: Kenneth Williams got
so worked up about these things! Such strong
> language. I was listening to a Kenneth episode last night and
remarked
> that I'd have been afraid to challenge him lest I get slapped or
> something--not that he would, you know, but he sure had a short fuse
> at times. My roommate (not a JAM fan but finds them enjoyable when I
> have them playing) is very frightened of him.
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@>
wrote:
>
> > The subject was "Macready" and Kenneth was so upset he mentioned
it in
> > his diary written when he got home. But as so often with Kenneth
> when he
> > was really genuinely aggrieved after an initial burst he actually
> sulked
> > rather than keeping on about it.
> >
> > This is the diary entry.
> >
> > Friday 29 October 1976
> >
> > Went to the Paris Studio for JAM. It was awful. Patrick Moore
> > successfully challenging my line on Macready: "one of the great
> > actor-managers of England" by saying "England's never been
managed."
> And
> > the idiot Parsons allowing it! Oh my loathing for this rotten
game!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On the last sentence it should be noted that Kenneth's view of
the show
> > was inconsistent - this was his entry for Monday 2 August 1976,
just a
> > couple of months earlier...
> >
> > Got the contract for JAM and thought "bless the BBC" before I
posted
> > it...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>

 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 15 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
yes, I remember that, I recall at the end of the episode there was a radio announcement that they were in a play together just before they announced that on Christmas Day the guest on JAM would be Lance Purcivel.

Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:

On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 04:53 PM, Robert Torres wrote:

> wow, that is interesting info that Kenneth himself got Lorraine on the
> show.  now that I think about it, it did seem that the two of them were
> on friendly terms anyway

they were working together in a play at the time


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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 16 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 6, 2007
 
 
I'm not sure if they even bothered finished the recording though if that happened, I mean I'm fairly certain that the woman, whoever she is, left the show in the middle of the game because of Kenneth's behavior. 

Dave <j_a_m_fan@...> wrote:
Wow, I hope a BBC archivist is listening in and sneaks a copy out and
onto the net for us! Blackmarket JAM bootleg episodes .... sounds
good to me.

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> here's a bit of trivia, there was one occasion, according to my
buddy Dean where a woman actually left the studio in tears rather
than put up with Kenneth's tirades. that episode was never broadcast
for obvious reasons.
>
> Sarah Falk <minerva.moon@ ...> wrote: Kenneth Williams got
so worked up about these things! Such strong
> language. I was listening to a Kenneth episode last night and
remarked
> that I'd have been afraid to challenge him lest I get slapped or
> something--not that he would, you know, but he sure had a short fuse
> at times. My roommate (not a JAM fan but finds them enjoyable when I
> have them playing) is very frightened of him.
>
> --- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, Dean Bedford <dbedford@>
wrote:
>
> > The subject was "Macready" and Kenneth was so upset he mentioned
it in
> > his diary written when he got home. But as so often with Kenneth
> when he
> > was really genuinely aggrieved after an initial burst he actually
> sulked
> > rather than keeping on about it.
> >
> > This is the diary entry.
> >
> > Friday 29 October 1976
> >
> > Went to the Paris Studio for JAM. It was awful. Patrick Moore
> > successfully challenging my line on Macready: "one of the great
> > actor-managers of England" by saying "England's never been
managed."
> And
> > the idiot Parsons allowing it! Oh my loathing for this rotten
game!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On the last sentence it should be noted that Kenneth's view of
the show
> > was inconsistent - this was his entry for Monday 2 August 1976,
just a
> > couple of months earlier...
> >
> > Got the contract for JAM and thought "bless the BBC" before I
posted
> > it...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ---
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>



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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 17 / 19
Dean BedfordFeb 6, 2007
 
 
On Wednesday, February 7, 2007, at 04:04 PM, Sarah Falk wrote:

> Kenneth Williams got so worked up about these things! Such strong
> language. I was listening to a Kenneth episode last night and remarked
> that I'd have been afraid to challenge him lest I get slapped or
> something--not that he would, you know, but he sure had a short fuse
> at times. My roommate (not a JAM fan but finds them enjoyable when I
> have them playing) is very frightened of him.

there is something scarey about him - I suppose it's all that pent-up
emotion - "the love that dares not speak its name" as Oscar Wilde said,
the love that Kenneth wouldn't admit to.

It's the sense of drama, the feeling that an explosion is immnent that
gives his shows a dramatic tension. There's something similar in the way
Wendy Richard plays the game but that drama is not as comedic as with
Kenneth. That's why he's the best to my mind. Anyone who can add drama
to a comedy game show is special.

And yes, an actress did walk out on a show in tears after a Kenneth
tirade, I believe. As you may know, they've nearly always recorded two
shows at one recording, so if you've ever wondered why season 4 has an
odd number of shows, 27, that's the reason. They already had the first
show, with Sheila Hancock, in the can.
 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 18 / 19
Emile JumeanFeb 6, 2007
 
 
That woman was Nyree Dawn Porter, as far as I can remember. I honestly
wonder what Kenneth did or said to make her leave in tears. I'd love
to know when exactly this incident took place, to satisfy my curiosity.

Emile

--- In just-a-minute@..., Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
>
> here's a bit of trivia, there was one occasion, according to my
buddy Dean where a woman actually left the studio in tears rather than
put up with Kenneth's tirades. that episode was never broadcast for
obvious reasons.
 
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Topic: Re: Brief but Memorable

Message 19 / 19
Robert TorresFeb 7, 2007
 
 
well, in listening to Kenneth's usual sexist tirades regarding women being on the show and so on, it's not that hard to imagine any woman taking such personal offense to those comments and storming out rather than put up with his misogynistic bullying. 
 
I mean he's forever talking about that men are superior to women, that women have no place in authority, and have no place being on the show, and so on and so forth, and half the time throwing insults at women left and right, screaming to the high heavens and calling all women 'great fools', 'stupid', 'invalids', and so on. 

Emile Jumean <mochrie99@...> wrote:
That woman was Nyree Dawn Porter, as far as I can remember. I honestly
wonder what Kenneth did or said to make her leave in tears. I'd love
to know when exactly this incident took place, to satisfy my curiosity.

Emile

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Torres
<bobbyshaddoe3004@ ...> wrote:
>
> here's a bit of trivia, there was one occasion, according to my
buddy Dean where a woman actually left the studio in tears rather than
put up with Kenneth's tirades. that episode was never broadcast for
obvious reasons.



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