On Monday, June 8, 2009, at 01:39 AM, berlinirving wrote:
>
>
> I am working towards tidying up the labels of my JAM collection so I
> can post it for sharing on Mediafire.
>
> I have been sharing JAM episodes to people for many years on WinMX, and
> I've seen that some of my original analogue cassette recordings from
> decades ago (I still have the many dozens of cassettes) have ended up
> in collections that are on offer from people even now, which is good as
> I always wanted people to enjoy the shows. (Of course, many of my
> original analogues have been replaced by better quality digital
> versions from the ABC in recent years.)
>
> When I began sharing JAMs on WinMX years ago I devised a labeling
> system that I felt was quite efficient. Today it typically looks like
> this:
> Just A Minute #175 (1974-11-04; s09e08) WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY (rec.
> online by dal).mp3
>
> My question now is whether this is what most people want. Considering
> the limitations of space, do you want the date? Do you care who has
> recorded it? Would you rather have the names of the speakers, or do
> these not matter either? Any other preferences?
>
> I have thought to simplify the title label; for example:
> Just A Minute #175 WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY
> and the guests, date, and other info would be in metatags instead,
> which can be read by many mp3 players today. Or would people like all
> the info out in plain sight? If so, which parts?
>
> I'm interested in feedback about what most people actually want. Thanks.
>
>
> I only speak for myself of course but now that there is a eppyI mean "a way of identifying shows" - oops - I'll go and slap myself
> numbering system with general acceptance I reckon the first subject
> thing is not of much use. It used to be a way to identify subjects
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dbedford@...
> Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:03:27 +1200
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
> I only speak for myself of course but now that there is a eppy numbering
> system with general acceptance I reckon the first subject thing is not
> of much use. It used to be a way to identify subjects but its now
> unnecessary if the eppy number is there. It would be more useful to me
> to have the panel identified as I look through the shows. The date could
> also be worthwhile.
>
> But as I say - that's just my opinion and others may feel differently.
>
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2009, at 01:39 AM, berlinirving wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am working towards tidying up the labels of my JAM collection so I
>> can post it for sharing on Mediafire.
>>
>> I have been sharing JAM episodes to people for many years on WinMX, and
>> I've seen that some of my original analogue cassette recordings from
>> decades ago (I still have the many dozens of cassettes) have ended up
>> in collections that are on offer from people even now, which is good as
>> I always wanted people to enjoy the shows. (Of course, many of my
>> original analogues have been replaced by better quality digital
>> versions from the ABC in recent years.)
>>
>> When I began sharing JAMs on WinMX years ago I devised a labeling
>> system that I felt was quite efficient. Today it typically looks like
>> this:
>> Just A Minute #175 (1974-11-04; s09e08) WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY (rec.
>> online by dal).mp3
>>
>> My question now is whether this is what most people want. Considering
>> the limitations of space, do you want the date? Do you care who has
>> recorded it? Would you rather have the names of the speakers, or do
>> these not matter either? Any other preferences?
>>
>> I have thought to simplify the title label; for example:
>> Just A Minute #175 WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY
>> and the guests, date, and other info would be in metatags instead,
>> which can be read by many mp3 players today. Or would people like all
>> the info out in plain sight? If so, which parts?
>>
>> I'm interested in feedback about what most people actually want. Thanks.
>>
>>
-----Original Message-----
From: berlinirving@...
Sent: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:39:11 -0000
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?I am working towards tidying up the labels of my JAM collection so I can post it for sharing on Mediafire.
I have been sharing JAM episodes to people for many years on WinMX, and I've seen that some of my original analogue cassette recordings from decades ago (I still have the many dozens of cassettes) have ended up in collections that are on offer from people even now, which is good as I always wanted people to enjoy the shows. (Of course, many of my original analogues have been replaced by better quality digital versions from the ABC in recent years.)
When I began sharing JAMs on WinMX years ago I devised a labeling system that I felt was quite efficient. Today it typically looks like this:
Just A Minute #175 (1974-11-04; s09e08) WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY (rec. online by dal).mp3
My question now is whether this is what most people want. Considering the limitations of space, do you want the date? Do you care who has recorded it? Would you rather have the names of the speakers, or do these not matter either? Any other preferences?
I have thought to simplify the title label; for example:
Just A Minute #175 WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY
and the guests, date, and other info would be in metatags instead, which can be read by many mp3 players today. Or would people like all the info out in plain sight? If so, which parts?
I'm interested in feedback about what most people actually want. Thanks.
>The firstv subjects aren't all unique though and once you've identified
>
> Personally, I like the first-topic filenaming. The naming scheme is
> easier to identify individual eps than a solitary code number (but
> include the ep number by all means).
>
> I'm not too interested in the cast because I rarely need to find all
> eps featuring a particular person. Perhaps you might need it for your
> academic JAM work...
>
> Has anyone gone to the bother of producing a database or spreadsheet of
> JAM eps for power users?
>
> Mark
I always liked to put the date first topic in. It’s a clear way of identifying the shows.
I’ve changed the JAM to Just a Minute and back again.
Things like the season & episode number, speakers and other info (with the artist either JAM or BBC) all can go in the IP3 data.
As for the database, I keep meaning to do it, with data from all the topics, speakers, final positions together, but I’ve never got the time. It gets very frustrating.
From: just-a-minute@...
[mailto:just-a-minute@...] On Behalf Of Dean Bedford
Sent: 08 June 2009 09:45
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
On Monday, June 8, 2009, at 12:49 PM, nylon net wrote:
Personally, I like the first-topic filenaming. The naming scheme is easier to
identify individual eps than a solitary code number (but include the ep number
by all means).
I'm not too interested in the cast because I rarely need to find all eps
featuring a particular person. Perhaps you might need it for your academic JAM
work...
Has anyone gone to the bother of producing a database or spreadsheet of JAM eps
for power users?
Mark
The firstv subjects aren't all unique though and once you've identified the
show by number the first subject doesn't really provide any useful information.
On the other hand if you are looking through a pile of shows and think
"hmmmm, I fancy a bit of Peter Jones... preferably with Derek and
Paul..."
but as I say - thats just me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Still" <george@...>
To: <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
> I always liked to put the date first topic in. It's a clear way of
> identifying the shows.
>
> I've changed the JAM to Just a Minute and back again.
>
> Things like the season & episode number, speakers and other info (with the
> artist either JAM or BBC) all can go in the IP3 data.
>
>
>
> As for the database, I keep meaning to do it, with data from all the
topics,
> speakers, final positions together, but I've never got the time. It gets
> very frustrating.
>
>
>
> From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
> On Behalf Of Dean Bedford
> Sent: 08 June 2009 09:45
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2009, at 12:49 PM, nylon net wrote:
>
>
>
> Personally, I like the first-topic filenaming. The naming scheme is easier
> to identify individual eps than a solitary code number (but include the ep
> number by all means).
>
> I'm not too interested in the cast because I rarely need to find all eps
> featuring a particular person. Perhaps you might need it for your academic
> JAM work...
>
> Has anyone gone to the bother of producing a database or spreadsheet of
JAM
> eps for power users?
>
> Mark
>
>
> The firstv subjects aren't all unique though and once you've identified
the
> show by number the first subject doesn't really provide any useful
> information. On the other hand if you are looking through a pile of shows
> and think "hmmmm, I fancy a bit of Peter Jones... preferably with Derek
and
> Paul..."
>
> but as I say - thats just me.
>
>
>You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
>
> As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> need
> are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
>
> Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> to
> infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> You
> can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
To: <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > need
> > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> >
> > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> > to
> > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> > You
> > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
>
> You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> called my lists confusing.
>
> And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually has
> both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
>
> I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People compile
> their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
>
On Friday, June 12, 2009, at 02:48 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
>
>
> You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
>
> As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR
> naming
> system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode
> number,
> and the broadcast date.
>
> Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it
> gives
> all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would
> be
> confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between
> 1 and
> infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> episode number to identify programmes.
>
> For example:
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
> It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> sequential numbers to identify files.
>
> Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR
> webmaster
> will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell
> him,
> for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
>
> It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would
> be
> most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
> To: <just-a-minute@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
> >
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > need
> > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > >
> > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering:
> from 1
> > > to
> > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in
> confusion.
> > > You
> > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists
> available
> > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> >
> > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > called my lists confusing.
> >
> > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually
> has
> > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> >
> > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People
> compile
> > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> >
>
>
--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> I suggest you go back and have a look at my two posts before yours in
> the thread. At no point did I say ONLY use the sequential number.
>
> In fact I didn't specify which numbering system it should be - but I had
> in mind the numbers I use on the site ie 1/1/1. Therefore it would be
> possible to match this with the OTR people you know - and also with a
> lot of collectors I know who are using the sequential numbering. Indeed
> many in this group use it.
>
> Perhaps we can now leave this to anyone else to chime in on. Your
> preferences are clear, understood and respected.
>
>
> On Friday, June 12, 2009, at 02:48 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
> >
> > As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR
> > naming
> > system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode
> > number,
> > and the broadcast date.
> >
> > Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it
> > gives
> > all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would
> > be
> > confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between
> > 1 and
> > infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> > episode number to identify programmes.
> >
> > For example:
> > Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
> >
> > It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> > collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> > sequential numbers to identify files.
> >
> > Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR
> > webmaster
> > will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell
> > him,
> > for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
> >
> > It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> > information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would
> > be
> > most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
> > To: <just-a-minute@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
> >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > > need
> > > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > > >
> > > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering:
> > from 1
> > > > to
> > > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in
> > confusion.
> > > > You
> > > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists
> > available
> > > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> > >
> > > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > > called my lists confusing.
> > >
> > > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually
> > has
> > > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> > >
> > > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People
> > compile
> > > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>But this is just a theoretical problem since it's never been talk about having *just* the episode number.
> can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
--- In just-a-minute@..., "Clitheroe Kid" <clitheroekid@...> wrote:
>
> You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
>
> As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR naming
> system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode number,
> and the broadcast date.
>
> Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it gives
> all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would be
> confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between 1 and
> infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> episode number to identify programmes.
>
> For example:
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
> It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> sequential numbers to identify files.
>
> Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR webmaster
> will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell him,
> for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
>
> It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would be
> most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
> To: <just-a-minute@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
>
> >
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > need
> > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > >
> > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> > > to
> > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> > > You
> > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> >
> > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > called my lists confusing.
> >
> > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually has
> > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> >
> > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People compile
> > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> >
>
-----Original Message-----
From: frankntom@...
Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:49:30 -0000
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
I find the series info essential, too. A program number alone would be too vague for my little brain. But S07E08 gives me some idea of where a particular show is in the scheme of things in a way that I can wrap my head around.
The subjects don't really matter to me. And I don't really need dates, if I've got series info. But dates without the series info aren't much help to me either.
--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "Clitheroe Kid" <clitheroekid@ ...> wrote:
>
> You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
>
> As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR naming
> system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode number,
> and the broadcast date.
>
> Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it gives
> all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would be
> confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between 1 and
> infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> episode number to identify programmes.
>
> For example:
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
> It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> sequential numbers to identify files.
>
> Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR webmaster
> will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell him,
> for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
>
> It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would be
> most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@.. .>
> To: <just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
>
> >
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > need
> > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > >
> > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> > > to
> > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> > > You
> > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> >
> > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > called my lists confusing.
> >
> > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually has
> > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> >
> > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People compile
> > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> >
>
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