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Topic: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 1 / 7
Clitheroe KidJun 11, 2009
 

 
You quoted selectively from my e-mail.

As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR naming
system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode number,
and the broadcast date.

Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it gives
all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would be
confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between 1 and
infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
episode number to identify programmes.

For example:
Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3

It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
sequential numbers to identify files.

Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR webmaster
will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell him,
for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.

It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would be
most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
To: <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?


>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > need
> > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> >
> > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> > to
> > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> > You
> > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
>
> You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> called my lists confusing.
>
> And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually has
> both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
>
> I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People compile
> their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
>

 
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Topic: Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 2 / 7
Dean BedfordJun 12, 2009
 

 
I suggest you go back and have a look at my two posts before yours in
the thread. At no point did I say ONLY use the sequential number.

In fact I didn't specify which numbering system it should be - but I had
in mind the numbers I use on the site ie 1/1/1. Therefore it would be
possible to match this with the OTR people you know - and also with a
lot of collectors I know who are using the sequential numbering. Indeed
many in this group use it.

Perhaps we can now leave this to anyone else to chime in on. Your
preferences are clear, understood and respected.

On Friday, June 12, 2009, at 02:48 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:

>
>
> You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
>
> As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR
> naming
> system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode
> number,
> and the broadcast date.
>
> Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it
> gives
> all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would
> be
> confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between
> 1 and
> infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> episode number to identify programmes.
>
> For example:
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
> It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> sequential numbers to identify files.
>
> Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR
> webmaster
> will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell
> him,
> for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
>
> It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would
> be
> most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
> To: <just-a-minute@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
> >
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > need
> > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > >
> > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering:
> from 1
> > > to
> > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in
> confusion.
> > > You
> > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists
> available
> > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> >
> > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > called my lists confusing.
> >
> > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually
> has
> > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> >
> > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People
> compile
> > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> >
>
>

 
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Topic: Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 3 / 7
lapsedcatJun 12, 2009
 

 
Hm.

Trivial little disagreements like this have a worrying tendency to snowball out of control. After all, the First World War actually began after the Kaiser and George V fell out over whether the 't' in 'duvet' is silent or not (the King insisted it rhymed with "move it").

Think on chaps.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> I suggest you go back and have a look at my two posts before yours in
> the thread. At no point did I say ONLY use the sequential number.
>
> In fact I didn't specify which numbering system it should be - but I had
> in mind the numbers I use on the site ie 1/1/1. Therefore it would be
> possible to match this with the OTR people you know - and also with a
> lot of collectors I know who are using the sequential numbering. Indeed
> many in this group use it.
>
> Perhaps we can now leave this to anyone else to chime in on. Your
> preferences are clear, understood and respected.
>
>
> On Friday, June 12, 2009, at 02:48 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
> >
> > As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR
> > naming
> > system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode
> > number,
> > and the broadcast date.
> >
> > Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it
> > gives
> > all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would
> > be
> > confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between
> > 1 and
> > infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> > episode number to identify programmes.
> >
> > For example:
> > Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
> >
> > It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> > collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> > sequential numbers to identify files.
> >
> > Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR
> > webmaster
> > will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell
> > him,
> > for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
> >
> > It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> > information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would
> > be
> > most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
> > To: <just-a-minute@...>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
> >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > > need
> > > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > > >
> > > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering:
> > from 1
> > > > to
> > > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in
> > confusion.
> > > > You
> > > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists
> > available
> > > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> > >
> > > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > > called my lists confusing.
> > >
> > > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually
> > has
> > > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> > >
> > > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People
> > compile
> > > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> > >
> >
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 4 / 7
espen.kromkeJun 12, 2009
 

 
--- In just-a-minute@..., "Clitheroe Kid" <clitheroekid@...> wrote:

>
> can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.

But this is just a theoretical problem since it's never been talk about having *just* the episode number.

As for me I have found the episode numbering system extremely useful and helpful when finding gaps in my collection, all I then had to do was to (in my case) follow the mp3 track tag until I found gaps in the sequenced numbers.

 
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Topic: Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 5 / 7
frankntomJun 12, 2009
 

 
I find the series info essential, too. A program number alone would be too vague for my little brain. But S07E08 gives me some idea of where a particular show is in the scheme of things in a way that I can wrap my head around.

The subjects don't really matter to me. And I don't really need dates, if I've got series info. But dates without the series info aren't much help to me either.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Clitheroe Kid" <clitheroekid@...> wrote:
>
> You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
>
> As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR naming
> system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode number,
> and the broadcast date.
>
> Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it gives
> all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would be
> confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between 1 and
> infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> episode number to identify programmes.
>
> For example:
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
> It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> sequential numbers to identify files.
>
> Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR webmaster
> will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell him,
> for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
>
> It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would be
> most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@...>
> To: <just-a-minute@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
>
> >
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > need
> > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > >
> > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> > > to
> > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> > > You
> > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> >
> > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > called my lists confusing.
> >
> > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually has
> > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> >
> > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People compile
> > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 6 / 7
nylon netJun 13, 2009
 

 
I've thought about it for a long time, and I'm now willing to share.  What do I want in JAM labels?

"Strawberry"

Maybe "Plum".

<rimshot>

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: frankntom@...
Sent: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:49:30 -0000
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

I find the series info essential, too. A program number alone would be too vague for my little brain. But S07E08 gives me some idea of where a particular show is in the scheme of things in a way that I can wrap my head around.

The subjects don't really matter to me. And I don't really need dates, if I've got series info. But dates without the series info aren't much help to me either.

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "Clitheroe Kid" <clitheroekid@ ...> wrote:
>
> You quoted selectively from my e-mail.
>
> As my complete e-mail made clear, I am in favour of the standard OTR naming
> system whereby the file name includes the series number, the episode number,
> and the broadcast date.
>
> Although the system used on your website is not confusing, because it gives
> all that information (and, in addition, a sequential number), it would be
> confusing to name a file by giving only its sequential number (between 1 and
> infinity) because all OTR websites and collectors use date, series and
> episode number to identify programmes.
>
> For example:
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
> It would be impossible to match your sequential numbering against an OTR
> collection on another website, because OTR collectors do not quote
> sequential numbers to identify files.
>
> Thus if I say I am looking for episode number 182 or 259, an OTR webmaster
> will not know which episode I am trying to find. I would have to tell him,
> for example, I wanted series 1 episode 1 broadcast on 22 December 1967.
>
> It's entirely up to you how you organise JAM labels. Someone asked what
> information needed to be included, and I am letting you know what would be
> most helpful when comparing files with those on other OTR websites.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Bedford" <dbedford@.. .>
> To: <just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
>
> >
> > On Thursday, June 11, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Clitheroe Kid wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I
> > > need
> > > are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> > > collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
> > >
> > > Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1
> > > to
> > > infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion.
> > > You
> > > can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> > > on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
> >
> > You're the first person in my 10 years of running the list that has
> > called my lists confusing.
> >
> > And you're incorrect too because if you look at the site it actually has
> > both the numbers within each season AND the overall number. That's "my
> > system" though the phrase gives me too much credit.
> >
> > I know many old time radio collectors - I am one myself. People compile
> > their own lists in their own way but I've until today had no-one call
> > the very clear and detailed information I have provided confusing.
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?

Message 7 / 7
berlinirvingJun 24, 2009
 

 
I've read several suggestions here since I first asked my question about the preferred order and contents about the JAM labeling. Thank you to everyone who has contributed suggestions; they are appreciated by me.

People have suggested differing preferences and many are mutually exclusive, and show that different people want different things in a labeling system. Obviously I can use only one system and can't accommodate everyone's wishes. Right now this seems the best format to me:

Just A Minute #001(s01e01; 1967-12-22)Excuses for Being Late.mp3

This is because:
1. Dean's numbering system is useful to many of us, even if it's not consistent with OTR practice;
2. Series, episode and date info is otherwise consistent with OTR practice
3. I've used brackets to make a visual identification easier to do;
4. Info about who the speakers are is not included to keep the appearance less cluttered, but will be included in the tags. I realize that this doesn't answer every desire, but I don't believe that any system could.

The sole piece of info I think I should add is some sort of notation that would indicate whether I have recorded the file myself, so that anyone can know that it's different from the ones I have collected from other people. No-one would like to download a file from me only to find it's the same as what they already have.

If anyone sees any problem with this plan, or has any better suggestions, please let me know. I'll start the process of preparing my collection for posting into Mediafire soon.

dal.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Clitheroe Kid" <clitheroekid@...> wrote:
>
> As an Old Time Radio collector, the essential items of information I need
> are the series number, episode number, and date. Most old-time radio
> collections on the internet are catalogued that way.
>
> Old Time Radio collectors do not use Dean's system of numbering: from 1 to
> infinity, beginning with s01e01 as number 1. That results in confusion. You
> can't match an episode against the OTR collections and lists available
> on-line if all you know is it's episode number 182 or 259.
>
> Standard OTR cataloguing uses the following naming convention:-
> [Series Title] - [Series & Episode Number] [Date] - [Episode
> description].mp3
>
> Example:-
> Just A Minute - s01e01 1967-12-22 - Excuses for Being Late.mp3
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Still" <george@...>
> To: <just-a-minute@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56 PM
> Subject: RE: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
>
>
> > I always liked to put the date first topic in. It's a clear way of
> > identifying the shows.
> >
> > I've changed the JAM to Just a Minute and back again.
> >
> > Things like the season & episode number, speakers and other info (with the
> > artist either JAM or BBC) all can go in the IP3 data.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the database, I keep meaning to do it, with data from all the
> topics,
> > speakers, final positions together, but I've never got the time. It gets
> > very frustrating.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
> > On Behalf Of Dean Bedford
> > Sent: 08 June 2009 09:45
> > To: just-a-minute@...
> > Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] What Info Do You Want In JAM Labels?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, June 8, 2009, at 12:49 PM, nylon net wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally, I like the first-topic filenaming. The naming scheme is easier
> > to identify individual eps than a solitary code number (but include the ep
> > number by all means).
> >
> > I'm not too interested in the cast because I rarely need to find all eps
> > featuring a particular person. Perhaps you might need it for your academic
> > JAM work...
> >
> > Has anyone gone to the bother of producing a database or spreadsheet of
> JAM
> > eps for power users?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > The firstv subjects aren't all unique though and once you've identified
> the
> > show by number the first subject doesn't really provide any useful
> > information. On the other hand if you are looking through a pile of shows
> > and think "hmmmm, I fancy a bit of Peter Jones... preferably with Derek
> and
> > Paul..."
> >
> > but as I say - thats just me.
> >
> >
>