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Dean BedfordNov 7, 2009
 

 
This piece also mentions JAM prominently and suggests it's been
"reinvented" by the current controller, Mark Damazer...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/29/in-praise-of-radio-4

I guess I missed the reinvention. Anyone else feel the show has changed
much in the past two or three years?

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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delmelzaNov 7, 2009
 

 
No I don't think it has changed in the last few yrs at all. Any noticable change in my opinion was in the late 80's and early 90's with the 'deviation' rule broaden and the bonus points added.
The change from a more 'serious' approach to a more humorus one happened before that.

One reason why shows like JAM and Clue are more popular can be the acessablity to listen online and more worldwide than before. ( which also makes it more a Word of mouth kind of thing as well) Miriam

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> This piece also mentions JAM prominently and suggests it's been
> "reinvented" by the current controller, Mark Damazer...
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/29/in-praise-of-radio-4
>
> I guess I missed the reinvention. Anyone else feel the show has changed
> much in the past two or three years?
>

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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kj.naughtonNov 7, 2009
 

 
I think it's less of a re-invention in terms of the style and format of the programme and more of a re-invention in terms of its positioning as one of the keystones of Radio 4.

Cheers

kJ

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> This piece also mentions JAM prominently and suggests it's been
> "reinvented" by the current controller, Mark Damazer...
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/29/in-praise-of-radio-4
>
> I guess I missed the reinvention. Anyone else feel the show has changed
> much in the past two or three years?
>

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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Dean BedfordNov 7, 2009
 

 
On Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 10:09 AM, kj.naughton wrote:

>  
> I think it's less of a re-invention in terms of the style and format of
> the programme and more of a re-invention in terms of its positioning as
> one of the keystones of Radio 4.
>
> Cheers
>
> kJ

yes I wondered that - but hasn't it been on Mondays at 6-30 for years?
Or do you mean something else?

cheers, D

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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kj.naughtonNov 7, 2009
 

 
All of this post is in-my-humble-opinion so, if anyone doesn't agree then that's fine and I'm not going to argue.

I do, though, think it's fair to say that Radio 4's audience is continuing to rise and apparently something like 1 in 6 of the UK population listen to it at some point in a week. Now that's frankly astounding for a "serious" station in what is widely regarded as a country where everything needs to be dumbed down to be popular.

What Mark Damazer seems to have done is to make Radio 4 more audience-centric. He's putting on shows that are quality and popular, not just shows that Radio 4 "ought" to put on.

Radio 4 has a stable of great comedy shows; JaM, Clue and The News Quiz are all well-established. The Now Show is hit-and-miss but still very popular. The Unbelievable Truth and The Museum of Curiosities are finding their feet but, again, are popular in terms of numbers of listeners. Elvenquest was something of a smash-hit, but how long it can go on is doubtful as its storyline is rather limiting. This group, along with Today, the new Women's Hour and a handful of others are now what Radio 4 is building its programming around. And, importantly, they're what a cross-section of Britain listens to - not just a particular section of the population who think Radio 4 has an obligation to put on programmes for them.

Those programmes that used to be popular but whose audience is growing older and who aren't gaining new listeners are under the microscope. One of the "holy grails" that is rumoured to be in trouble is The Archers, for example. Now that would cause a lot of complaints from a certain section of the listeners, but it would once have been thought impossible to scrap The Archers. Now it isn't.

So JaM has been re-invented and changed, in the eyes of the BBC at least, as going from a rather tweedy, old-fashioned panel game into one of the keystones of Radio 4. None of us listeners will have noticed but I think that's what the original article is referring to.

I'm not generally in favour of what much of the BBC is doing these days, in terms of being stupidly risk-averse, banning people from causing offence, enforcing "trust" and so on. But this subtle change in Radio 4 is one definate benefit.

Cheers

kJ

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 10:09 AM, kj.naughton wrote:
>
> >  
> > I think it's less of a re-invention in terms of the style and format of
> > the programme and more of a re-invention in terms of its positioning as
> > one of the keystones of Radio 4.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > kJ
>
> yes I wondered that - but hasn't it been on Mondays at 6-30 for years?
> Or do you mean something else?
>
> cheers, D
>

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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Dean BedfordNov 8, 2009
 

 
On Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, kj.naughton wrote:

>  
>
>
> All of this post is in-my-humble-opinion so, if anyone doesn't agree
> then that's fine and I'm not going to argue.

thanks that was interesting, and I wouldn't argue for a second! :-)

Thinking about all this, I do think that the show sounds different to
say 10 years ago in the last days of Derek and Peter... so I am warming
to the idea of a sort of reinvention...

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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irishmanufanNov 8, 2009
 

 
One reason why shows like JAM and Clue are more popular can be the acessablity to listen online and more worldwide than before. ( which also makes it more a Word of mouth kind of thing as well)
Miriam

that is very true . certainly fomr my point of view without the net i would never have heard j.a.m or clue as i live outside the uk and while you can pick up bbc radio 4 on a normal radio here ( my dad is english and listen to it a lot ) the reception is variable to say the least
cheers
Linda

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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delmelzaNov 8, 2009
 

 
I was introduced to JAM because a local seattle radio station began airing the BBC World Service after midnight till 6am-I couldn't sleep one night and was listening to the radio when it came on
- I knew who Paul Merton was ( this was in the late 90's) and I had had heard about N.Parsons and a couple of the panelists. I instantly fell in love with the show. I used to set a timer on my radio/cassette player to record the show in the middle of the night.

Clue I got into more because I knew who Tim brooke taylor and graeme garden were- via the The Goodies but way back in the mid 1970's another local radio station aired ISIRTA for 2 yrs
- my friends & I were totlly hooked on that show- even if half the jokes went over our Young american heads.On a trip to London in the 90's I bought a Clue tape just because of who was in it- I had never heard the show before.

Now with the radio 4 listen again feature and bbc 7 I can listen to new and old favorites.

And I also want to put in a Big Thank you to those who have posted file links here to JAM and other comedy show- keeps my mp3 player full of humor to help me get through the day. Miriam

--- In just-a-minute@..., "irishmanufan" <irishmanufan@...> wrote:
>
> One reason why shows like JAM and Clue are more popular can be the acessablity to listen online and more worldwide than before. ( which also makes it more a Word of mouth kind of thing as well)
> Miriam
>
> that is very true . certainly fomr my point of view without the net i would never have heard j.a.m or clue as i live outside the uk and while you can pick up bbc radio 4 on a normal radio here ( my dad is english and listen to it a lot ) the reception is variable to say the least
> cheers
> Linda
>

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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delmelzaNov 8, 2009
 

 
Yes it has changed over the last 10+ yrs but the article made it sound like the "reinvention" was new -over the last 2 yrs which to me is Not true. Miriam

--- In just-a-minute@..., Dean Bedford <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, kj.naughton wrote:
>
> >  
> >
> >
> > All of this post is in-my-humble-opinion so, if anyone doesn't agree
> > then that's fine and I'm not going to argue.
>
> thanks that was interesting, and I wouldn't argue for a second! :-)
>
> Thinking about all this, I do think that the show sounds different to
> say 10 years ago in the last days of Derek and Peter... so I am warming
> to the idea of a sort of reinvention...
>

 
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Topic: Re: PS

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jeremy_keensNov 8, 2009
 

 
Hi

I was listening to some of the first 100 shows (I have them in subfolders on my iPod) and was surprised how early bonus points were awarded (and also how strangely repetition was sometimes argued - not only how many times you were allowed to do it yourself but also it was counted a couple of times across a number of people; obvious repetitions not noticed; and more - all part of the evolution).

What seems to have changed in the last couple of decades is the number of different people on the show - after the long period with the small groups of regulars to a much broader pool of semiregulars (or so it appears - dean will have the numbers)

As to anything more recently I would agree that there doesn't seem to have been much changed - so perhaps it is more in how radio 4 positions the show.

Jeremy

--- In just-a-minute@..., "delmelza" <delmelza@...> wrote:
>
> No I don't think it has changed in the last few yrs at all. Any noticable change in my opinion was in the late 80's and early 90's with the 'deviation' rule broaden and the bonus points added.
> The change from a more 'serious' approach to a more humorus one happened before that.
>