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Re: if Brian Blessed were a panelist...

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Robert TorresJul 17, 2010

From Nicholas' mouth its meant as an ironic remark? Well, I do understand the concept of irony, the unfortunate thing that everything Nicholas says is very much a 'straight' remark. Its like when one time the show was in Cantebury, and the subject happened to be 'The Cantebury Tales' and Clement admitted that he knew all of the Cantebury Tales by heart, and Nicholas stated at the end of the round that it took Clement all these years to prove that his education wasn't wasted. And his comment caused the audience to begin booing and hissing at Nicholas because they thought as I did that what Nicholas was saying was a snide remark, even though Nicholas immediately denied that that was his intention.

You see, in order to convey the meaning of what you want to say, its not only a matter of what you say, but how you say it. its one of the reasons why there are so many arguments and challenges regarding deviation of grammar or deviation because someone had firmly established one thing, but is now saying the exact opposite of what they said before, etc. etc.

regarding irony, the problem with understanding irony would probably lie in the fact that when it comes from the Brits, it comes about with a great deal of subtlety. everything is said very much fast and almost furious in the way some of the comedic Brits behave in a rather condescending or patronizing manner towards other people, and they call that comedy (whereas I just call it being disrespectful and insulting) because they obviously don't mean to behave in such a manner. its different for people who are actually funny (like Paul Merton), but something else entirely for individuals who try to be funny and consistently fail at it every time (like Angus Deayton) and just come across looking like a jerk or an asshole.

I agree that comic actors and comic acting is slightly looked down upon, not such in Britain because the comedy across the pond is fantastic. The comedy here in the states is just... stupid, for the most part. Most comedic movies that come out nowadays fail in every single way, including being funny.

--- On Sat, 7/17/10, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:

From: Don Judge <don@...>
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: if Brian Blessed were a panelist...
To: just-a-minute@...
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 3:33 AM

Alanis Morissette /certainly/ doesn't understand the meaning of 'ironic' :-)

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From: Dean <dbedford@xtra. co.nz>
To: just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, 17 July, 2010 22:03:44
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: if Brian Blessed were a panelist...

In Nicholas's mouth it's meant as an ironic remark. It's sometimes sad that Americans don't understand irony, which I'm sure is an unfair generalisation, but you do seem to miss out on irony and take some of the comments very literally.

It is far too dramatic to compare it with racism or a caste system, but I think comic acting is just slightly looked down on. How many Oscars have gone to great comedic actors or comedy movies? Not too many, sad to say...

From: Robert Torres
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:57 AM
To: just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: if Brian Blessed were a panelist...

But there it is, its like saying that one thing is a legitimate form of entertainment and another isn't. its like it puts people into separate classes or into a caste system, and then it gets into the whole 'its us or them' kind of argument.

I don't know, maybe I'm looking too deeply into it, largely cuz I was always raised with the belief of equality between all things, races, sexes, religions, etc. so i guess the notion that someone would refer to an individual as a 'legitimate actor' or someone from the 'legitimate theater' makes it seem that comedians are in a different class system, that they aren't legitimate performers, that comic theater isn't legitimate either, and I don't think that's right. granted we all know that isn't the case, but its the fact that someone even makes that implication or indication that doesn't sit well with me, that's all.

back to the subject, Charles Collingwood is an actor and he manages to survive quite well without a script during his appearances on JAM. Pam Ayers is a poet, and she does just as well too. Although Maureen Lipman I think has a harder time with it, because she can't go 5 seconds without screwing up.

I do like the implication that Brian's appearance would be like Kenneth Williams at his most petulant, and with a louder voice.

--- On Fri, 7/16/10, irishmanufan <irishmanufan@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: irishmanufan <irishmanufan@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: if Brian Blessed were a panelist...
To: just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 8:01 AM

i think in the sense robert is asking about the legitimate theatre refers to serious straight actors seperate from comedians or comic actors . thats what i understand it as anyway :-)
robert calm down . it is not meant as a insult .

it would be nice to see more actors but as delmelza said it would be doubtful if they could survive without a script .
as to brian blessed i love his work but i could see him taking over the show . imgaine kenneth williams at his most petulant only a lot louder !
cheers
Linda

--- In just-a-minute@ yahoogroups. com, "Dean" <dbedford@...> wrote:
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> a quick google would have given you the answer...
>
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Legitimate_ theater
>

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