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Re: Recent Shows/Classic Shows

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Robert TorresAug 21, 2010
 

 
Whoa! That is rather harsh regarding the apparent lack of education of Liza, Sue and Wendy. I mean these people had to have been educated otherwise they wouldnt have anything to say on anything.

On Sat Aug 21st, 2010 8:09 AM EDT Steve Kenrick wrote:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liza_Tarbuck
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>Don't get me wrong Oz, I'm not trying to say that Lisa is a strong or even
>good player. However, when the likes of Paul Merton and Ross Noble are on
>the show, for me, it helps to have more subdued players like Lisa, or even
>John Sergeant there to produce a more balanced panel.
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>When La Perkins is on with either Paul or Ross, or both, she is so
>determined not to be overshadowed by them, that in my opinion she tries too
>hard. Mind you, being the fair person that I am, I haven't given up with
>her. Every time I see she is a panellist, I hope that she is going to say
>something to make me laugh, even smile. It just hasn't happened yet
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>There is no other panellist whose performance irritates me like hers. The
>only other performer who came close was Wendy Richards, who imo, seemed to
>take herself and the game too seriously. Unfortunately for her, she
>appeared to have neither the education nor the intellect to compete
>effectively with her more learned competitors.
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>From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]
>On Behalf Of Oz
>Sent: 21 August 2010 12:39
>To: just-a-minute@...
>Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Recent Shows/Classic Shows
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>Well I must admit I've had my problems with Sue Perkins in one respect,
>namely her very basic lack of general knowledge on a couple of
>cringe-inducing occasions. I can't say I hold anything against L.T. at all.
>Simply that when talking on a subject she is neither particularly
>interesting or funny. No more so than a likeable member of the public might
>be, in fact. Come to think of it, other than having a very famous father,
>what is her claim to celebrity other than being just another C list
>panellist on various game-shows?
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>--- In just-a-minute@...
><mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steve Kenrick"
><steve.kenrick@...> wrote:
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>> I'll leap to the defence of Lisa Tarbuck. True, she's not in the Premier
>> League of JAM players, but she does have an air of honesty and normality,
>> that some of the more extrovert, surreal players choose not to exhibit.
>For
>> me, that produces a programme that is well balanced.
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>> I would choose Lisa over Sue Perkins every day of the week, in fact I'd
>> choose anyone over..
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>> From: just-a-minute@...
><mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com>
>[mailto:just-a-minute@...
><mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>> On Behalf Of Oz
>> Sent: 21 August 2010 08:54
>> To: just-a-minute@... <mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com>
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>> Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Recent Shows/Classic Shows
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>> Hi Dean,
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>> I do agree that that formula is best, averaging 3 regulars drawn from a
>pool
>> of those I named in my 'top group'. However, I suspect that it just isn't
>> possible due to the schedules of those people. Paul Merton would probably
>> make time and Tony Hawks and Kit Hesketh-Harvey probably have time, but
>> those such as Fry and Perkins seem to have an unbelievable amount of other
>> work, Ross Noble has moved abroad, Clary and Norton probably have more
>work
>> than they can handle also. Even Jenny Eclair's mainstream career has taken
>> off in a big way in recent years (I say 'even' because her stand-up is
>> pretty crude stuff and nowhere near the mainstream).
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>> It really can only happen if such stars as these are prepared to put aside
>> some of their other (most likely better paying work) simply for love of
>the
>> tradition of the game.
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>> I'm surprised no one has leapt to the defence of Lisa Tarbuck. Does this
>> mean everyone agrees with me that her run has been over-long? Or is it
>just
>> that people couldn't be bothered to read such a long post?
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>> Keep safe on your travels, Dean
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>> Oz
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>> --- In just-a-minute@...
><mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dean" <dbedford@> wrote:
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>> > Hi Oz
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>> > thanks for such an interesting post. I agree with a lot of what you say.
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>> > Do you agree with me that they may be better to go back to the formula
>for
>> the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s and have say four or five regulars, three of
>whom
>> are in each show (sometimes two, sometimes four but three on average)?
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>> > I think that would help with the repartee and getting people to play off
>> each other more...
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>> > Haven't heard this week's show yet (I've been travelling) so I've that
>to
>> look forward to!
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>> > And yes thanks indeed to the kind people who share their files... lots
>of
>> love from me!
>> >
>> > thanks again Oz...
>> >
>> > Dean
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>> > From: Oz
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:58 AM
>> > To: just-a-minute@...
><mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:just-a-minute%40yahoogroups.com>
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>> > Subject: [just-a-minute] Recent Shows/Classic Shows
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>> > For some time now I have been toying with the idea of posting about the
>> make-up of potentially classic shows. I'm sure many will disagree with my
>> views and i'd be pleased to hear what you have to say. So here is my
>theory:
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>> > There are only a few people who have the skills and/or personality to
>> speak on the given subject AND manage to be funny while avoiding the
>J.A.M.
>> rule pitfalls. (Eg. P Merton, S Perkins, J Eclair, S Fry, K
>Hesketh-Harvey,
>> G Norton, R Noble and to a lesser extent J Clary, T Hawks).
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>> > In between talking on the subject there are many players who can make
>> funny challenges or come out with one-liners or over-the-top reactions to
>> what has been said and thus contribute and add to the fun eg. S Hancock, M
>> Brigstoke, P Ayres, C Collingwood, G Brandreth, S Frost, M McErlane, P
>> McLynn, D O'Brien, C Neill, F MacAuley, J Lawrence, T Rice and arguably
>some
>> others.
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>> > Another group are those with potential who have perhaps yet to prove
>> themselves fully but have already had good moments such as D Mitchell, D
>> Gorman, A Cochrane, J Dee, P Jupitus, R Brydon.
>> >
>> > Then there are those who have little or no business on a J.A.M. panel
>eg.
>> Lisa Tarbuck (fantastic personality but does little more than contribute
>an
>> infectious giggle and is mostly incapable of discoursing on a subject AND
>> being funny at the same time) John Seargent (It was all too apparent in
>the
>> recent show that the days of this kind of contributor are over) Bill
>Bailey
>> (surprisingly inept at allowing the show to flow, perhaps wanting to be
>too
>> big a part of it). Greg Proops (plenty of chances but just can't get going
>> when he has the subject). Victor Spinetti is another disaster that springs
>> to mind. Included, it would appear, for geographic reasons, at least the
>> mistake was not long and drawn out like poor Lisa has been.
>> >
>> > For a potentially classic show I contend that you need at least two from
>> the first group named above (which you will note is really quite small - I
>> include only those who are still available) and one or two from the
>second.
>> There is no guarantee of a classic show, of course, the mix has to be
>right
>> as well as the players being on their 'game' on the day.
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>> > Fringe shows used to almost always be classics, with Paul Merton clearly
>> very much at home and excited audiences spurring on Freud, Jones and Nimmo
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>> but too many Fringe shows of late have been disappointing. In recent years
>> the producers have gone out of their way to show-case new talent perhaps
>> taking advantage of the Fringe format allowing bookings for just a single
>> show. But the fresh faces have often either been no good or just too
>> inexperienced at radio/J.A.M. The producer should never have more than one
>> beginner on at any given time and there should always be at least two
>names
>> from the top group involved. Of course it is essential to try new people
>> from time to time but don't try two new players on the same show! It isn't
>> Opportunity Knocks.
>> >
>> > So, having said all that, I'm a little surprised at the negative feeling
>> towards the 3 shows of the new season so far. Yes, the John Seargent and
>> Lisa Tarbuck on the same show was a casting disaster (and I assume there
>is
>> another show with this pair to come - how John Seargent comes back from
>that
>> I do not know - for his sake I hope it was the second recording of the
>> pair), but the other two shows have been RICH with talent and a fantastic
>> mix of the top two groups of players with the ever-dependable Paul Merton
>> (along with Nicholas, of course) giving the show the anchor it needs.
>> >
>> > If the Fringe shows end up with the right mix of experience and the odd
>> new(ish) face I think this could end up being a classic season as I
>already
>> rate episodes 1 and 3 as potential classics (only time will tell if they
>> deserve this appellation, of course).
>> >
>> > Lastly, Thanks to Paul Hurwood and all those of you who record the shows
>> and make them available to us who don't have the ability/tools to do it
>> ourselves. The service you provide is absolutely invaluable to what I
>> suspect is a very large, mostly silent majority. Thanks again.
>> >
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