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Whoa! That is rather harsh regarding the apparent lack of education of Liza, Sue and Wendy. I mean these people had to have been educated otherwise they wouldnt have anything to say on anything.

On Sat Aug 21st, 2010 8:09 AM EDT Steve Kenrick wrote:

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>Don't get me wrong Oz, I'm not trying to say that Lisa is

a strong or even

>good player. However, when the likes of Paul

Merton and Ross Noble are on

>the show, for me, it helps to have

more subdued players like Lisa, or even

>John Sergeant there to

produce a more balanced panel.

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>When La

Perkins is on with either Paul or Ross, or both, she is so

>determined not to be overshadowed by them, that in my opinion

she tries too

>hard. Mind you, being the fair person that I am, I

haven't given up with

>her. Every time I see she is a panellist, I

hope that she is going to say

>something to make me laugh, even

smile. It just hasn't happened yet

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>There

is no other panellist whose performance irritates me like hers. The

>only other performer who came close was Wendy Richards, who

imo, seemed to

>take herself and the game too seriously.

Unfortunately for her, she

>appeared to have neither the education

nor the intellect to compete

>effectively with her more learned

competitors.

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Oz

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[just-a-minute] Re: Recent Shows/Classic Shows

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>Well I must admit I've had my problems

with Sue Perkins in one respect,

>namely her very basic lack of

general knowledge on a couple of

>cringe-inducing occasions. I can't

say I hold anything against L.T. at all.

>Simply that when talking

on a subject she is neither particularly

>interesting or funny. No

more so than a likeable member of the public might

>be, in fact.

Come to think of it, other than having a very famous father,

>what

is her claim to celebrity other than being just another C list

>panellist on various game-shows?
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, "Steve Kenrick"

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wrote:

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>> I'll leap to the defence of Lisa Tarbuck.

True, she's not in the Premier

>> League of JAM players, but she

does have an air of honesty and normality,

>> that some of the

more extrovert, surreal players choose not to exhibit.

>For
>> me, that produces a programme that is well

balanced.

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>> I would

choose Lisa over Sue Perkins every day of the week, in fact I'd

>> choose anyone over..
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Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Recent Shows/Classic Shows

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>> Hi

Dean,

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>> I do agree that that formula is best,

averaging 3 regulars drawn from a

>pool
>> of those I named

in my 'top group'. However, I suspect that it just isn't

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possible due to the schedules of those people. Paul Merton would probably

>> make time and Tony Hawks and Kit Hesketh-Harvey

probably have time, but

>> those such as Fry and Perkins seem to

have an unbelievable amount of other

>> work, Ross Noble has

moved abroad, Clary and Norton probably have more

>work
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than they can handle also. Even Jenny Eclair's mainstream career has taken

>> off in a big way in recent years (I say 'even' because

her stand-up is

>> pretty crude stuff and nowhere near the

mainstream).

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>> It really can only happen if such

stars as these are prepared to put aside

>> some of their other

(most likely better paying work) simply for love of

>the
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tradition of the game.

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>> I'm surprised no one has

leapt to the defence of Lisa Tarbuck. Does this

>> mean everyone

agrees with me that her run has been over-long? Or is it

>just
>> that people couldn't be bothered to read such a

long post?

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>> Keep safe on your travels,

Dean

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>> Oz
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>> > Hi

Oz

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>> > thanks for such an interesting post.

I agree with a lot of what you say.

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>> > Do

you agree with me that they may be better to go back to the formula

>for
>> the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s and have say

four or five regulars, three of

>whom
>> are in each show

(sometimes two, sometimes four but three on average)?

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>> > I think that would help with the repartee and getting

people to play off

>> each other more...
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>> > Haven't heard this week's show yet (I've been

travelling) so I've that

>to
>> look forward

to!

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>> > And yes thanks indeed to the kind

people who share their files... lots

>of
>> love from

me!

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>> > thanks again Oz...
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>> > Dean
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>> > From: Oz
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:58

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>> > Subject: [just-a-minute] Recent Shows/Classic

Shows

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>> > For some time now I have been toying with the idea of posting about

the

>> make-up of potentially classic shows. I'm sure many will

disagree with my

>> views and i'd be pleased to hear what you

have to say. So here is my

>theory:
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>> > There are only a few people who have the skills and/or personality

to

>> speak on the given subject AND manage to be funny while

avoiding the

>J.A.M.
>> rule pitfalls. (Eg. P Merton, S

Perkins, J Eclair, S Fry, K

>Hesketh-Harvey,
>> G Norton, R

Noble and to a lesser extent J Clary, T Hawks).

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>> > In between talking on the subject there are many players

who can make

>> funny challenges or come out with one-liners or

over-the-top reactions to

>> what has been said and thus

contribute and add to the fun eg. S Hancock, M

>> Brigstoke, P

Ayres, C Collingwood, G Brandreth, S Frost, M McErlane, P

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McLynn, D O'Brien, C Neill, F MacAuley, J Lawrence, T Rice and arguably

>some
>> others.
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>> > Another group are those with potential who have perhaps yet to

prove

>> themselves fully but have already had good moments such

as D Mitchell, D

>> Gorman, A Cochrane, J Dee, P Jupitus, R

Brydon.

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>> > Then there are those who have

little or no business on a J.A.M. panel

>eg.
>> Lisa

Tarbuck (fantastic personality but does little more than contribute

>an
>> infectious giggle and is mostly incapable

of discoursing on a subject AND

>> being funny at the same time)

John Seargent (It was all too apparent in

>the
>> recent

show that the days of this kind of contributor are over) Bill

>Bailey
>> (surprisingly inept at allowing the show to

flow, perhaps wanting to be

>too
>> big a part of it). Greg

Proops (plenty of chances but just can't get going

>> when he has

the subject). Victor Spinetti is another disaster that springs

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to mind. Included, it would appear, for geographic reasons, at least the

>> mistake was not long and drawn out like poor Lisa has

been.

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>> > For a potentially classic show I

contend that you need at least two from

>> the first group named

above (which you will note is really quite small - I

>> include

only those who are still available) and one or two from the

>second.
>> There is no guarantee of a classic show, of

course, the mix has to be

>right
>> as well as the players

being on their 'game' on the day.

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>> >

Fringe shows used to almost always be classics, with Paul Merton clearly

>> very much at home and excited audiences spurring on

Freud, Jones and Nimmo

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>> but too many Fringe shows of

late have been disappointing. In recent years

>> the producers

have gone out of their way to show-case new talent perhaps

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taking advantage of the Fringe format allowing bookings for just a single

>> show. But the fresh faces have often either been no

good or just too

>> inexperienced at radio/J.A.M. The producer

should never have more than one

>> beginner on at any given time

and there should always be at least two

>names
>> from the

top group involved. Of course it is essential to try new people

>> from time to time but don't try two new players on the

same show! It isn't

>> Opportunity Knocks.
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>> > So, having said all that, I'm a little surprised at the

negative feeling

>> towards the 3 shows of the new season so far.

Yes, the John Seargent and

>> Lisa Tarbuck on the same show was a

casting disaster (and I assume there

>is
>> another show

with this pair to come - how John Seargent comes back from

>that
>> I do not know - for his sake I hope it was

the second recording of the

>> pair), but the other two shows

have been RICH with talent and a fantastic

>> mix of the top two

groups of players with the ever-dependable Paul Merton

>> (along

with Nicholas, of course) giving the show the anchor it needs.

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>> > If the Fringe shows end up with the

right mix of experience and the odd

>> new(ish) face I think this

could end up being a classic season as I

>already
>> rate

episodes 1 and 3 as potential classics (only time will tell if they

>> deserve this appellation, of course).
>> >
>> > Lastly, Thanks to Paul Hurwood and all those of you who

record the shows

>> and make them available to us who don't have

the ability/tools to do it

>> ourselves. The service you provide

is absolutely invaluable to what I

>> suspect is a very large,

mostly silent majority. Thanks again.

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