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Topic: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

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Dave BJan 25, 2011
 

 

 

 
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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

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nylon netJan 25, 2011
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: pondydave@...
Sent: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:28:19 -0800 (PST)
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

My new I-tunes update download (early Jan 2011) is splitting up Albums (i.e Series of JAM) by artist (i.e. panel members). This is not good.

I hope it does not affect how my Ipod displays each Series next time I add files to my Ipod. Previously with I-tunes each Series was an Album so one could set play and hear a whole Series uninterrupted. Great for getting to sleep.

Maybe think twice before downloading the new I-tunes if you use it.

Dave

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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

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Don JudgeJan 25, 2011
 

 

 
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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

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Espen KrømkeJan 26, 2011
 

 

> inconsistent with the filenames of the tracks: it uses their 'title' metatag for
> sorting rather than the filename. iPhone/iPod also uses the 'album' tag to
> group tracks into logical albums, regardless of filename.

... Ever considered start using those pesky info tags instead of
insisting on using the filename as info container?
I could probably eaily list 100 good reasons why players should use tags
and not filenames as source of info, but will settle with these three:

- Tags are structured data. The tags have titles. "Artist". "Title".
"Album". Track". "Year". Filenames could be *anything*. The number at
the beginning gof the filename could be *anything*. Like the owners
personal top ten list. Or a date. Or even the band-name. Go figure why a
player ignore the filename...! :D

- When people update, add or correct info in their music collection
typically this is done by the software by altering the metatags. They
don't start renaming the files.

- You got the "track number" tag for a reason - use it! Simple as that.

I do not use iTunes myself, nor any other Apple related product, but I
dare guarantee that the player take the track number tag into consideration.

 
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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

Message 5 / 11
nylon netJan 26, 2011
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: espen.kromke@...
Sent: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:17:08 +0100
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

> inconsistent with the filenames of the tracks: it uses their 'title' metatag for
> sorting rather than the filename. iPhone/iPod also uses the 'album' tag to
> group tracks into logical albums, regardless of filename.

... Ever considered start using those pesky info tags instead of
insisting on using the filename as info container?
I could probably eaily list 100 good reasons why players should use tags
and not filenames as source of info, but will settle with these three:

- Tags are structured data. The tags have titles. "Artist". "Title".
"Album". Track". "Year". Filenames could be *anything*. The number at
the beginning gof the filename could be *anything*. Like the owners
personal top ten list. Or a date. Or even the band-name. Go figure why a
player ignore the filename...! :D

- When people update, add or correct info in their music collection
typically this is done by the software by altering the metatags. They
don't start renaming the files.

- You got the "track number" tag for a reason - use it! Simple as that.

I do not use iTunes myself, nor any other Apple related product, but I
dare guarantee that the player take the track number tag into consideration.

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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

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Espen KrømkeJan 26, 2011
 

 
Ok this is getting waaay off topic and I expect the list boss to hit
down on us heavy and mercyless anytime soon now :)

But an alternative solution to your described problem is this:

Don't rename the files. Rename the track tags! Start with disk number,
then the track number. Like this:

Disk 1:
101 track title
102 track title
103 track title
etc

Disk 2:
201 track title
202 track title
203 track title
204 track title
etc

Disk 3:
301 track title
etc


This is a much better, more consistent way of treating your collection,
cause the data stays persistent. Then you can move around and copy and
whatnot of the files to your hearts desire. Sort on album title and
track number, and voila they are listed in a logical manner.

The bottom line and holy mantra from the tech people is: Do not use
filenames as information containers. (may be repeated in a monotone, low
voice).





Den 26. jan. 2011 21:21, skrev nylon net:

> Hi Espen. What you say is true. You have to pay attention to tags because many
> players pay attention to them.
>
> The track number tag is a mixed blessing, however. I've often seen audiobook
> files in separate folders (e.g. chapter1,chapter2,chapter3) and each folder's
> files' track tag count starts at 1. If I take the files out of their subfolders
> and put them all in a single folder, they will play in unexpected order, e.g.
> Chapter1 track 1, chapter2 track 1, chapter 3 track 1, chapter 1 track 2...
>
> That's why I often use MP3tag to remove track number data and rely on
> consecutive filename serial numbers to cue files in the right order.
>
> Mark
> nylon@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* espen.kromke@...
> *Sent:* Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:17:08 +0100
> *To:* just-a-minute@...
> *Subject:* Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.
>
> > inconsistent with the filenames of the tracks: it uses their 'title'
> metatag for
> > sorting rather than the filename. iPhone/iPod also uses the 'album' tag to
> > group tracks into logical albums, regardless of filename.
>
> ... Ever considered start using those pesky info tags instead of
> insisting on using the filename as info container?
> I could probably eaily list 100 good reasons why players should use tags
> and not filenames as source of info, but will settle with these three:
>
> - Tags are structured data. The tags have titles. "Artist". "Title".
> "Album". Track". "Year". Filenames could be *anything*. The number at
> the beginning gof the filename could be *anything*. Like the owners
> personal top ten list. Or a date. Or even the band-name. Go figure why a
> player ignore the filename...! :D
>
> - When people update, add or correct info in their music collection
> typically this is done by the software by altering the metatags. They
> don't start renaming the files.
>
> - You got the "track number" tag for a reason - use it! Simple as that.
>
> I do not use iTunes myself, nor any other Apple related product, but I
> dare guarantee that the player take the track number tag into consideration.
>
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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

Message 7 / 11
nylon netJan 26, 2011
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: espen.kromke@...
Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:18:34 +0100
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

Ok this is getting waaay off topic and I expect the list boss to hit
down on us heavy and mercyless anytime soon now :)

But an alternative solution to your described problem is this:

Don't rename the files. Rename the track tags! Start with disk number,
then the track number. Like this:

Disk 1:
101 track title
102 track title
103 track title
etc

Disk 2:
201 track title
202 track title
203 track title
204 track title
etc

Disk 3:
301 track title
etc

This is a much better, more consistent way of treating your collection,
cause the data stays persistent. Then you can move around and copy and
whatnot of the files to your hearts desire. Sort on album title and
track number, and voila they are listed in a logical manner.

The bottom line and holy mantra from the tech people is: Do not use
filenames as information containers. (may be repeated in a monotone, low
voice).

Den 26. jan. 2011 21:21, skrev nylon net:
> Hi Espen. What you say is true. You have to pay attention to tags because many
> players pay attention to them.
>
> The track number tag is a mixed blessing, however. I've often seen audiobook
> files in separate folders (e.g. chapter1,chapter2,chapter3) and each folder's
> files' track tag count starts at 1. If I take the files out of their subfolders
> and put them all in a single folder, they will play in unexpected order, e.g.
> Chapter1 track 1, chapter2 track 1, chapter 3 track 1, chapter 1 track 2...
>
> That's why I often use MP3tag to remove track number data and rely on
> consecutive filename serial numbers to cue files in the right order.
>
> Mark
> nylon@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* espen.kromke@...
> *Sent:* Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:17:08 +0100
> *To:* just-a-minute@...
> *Subject:* Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.
>
> > inconsistent with the filenames of the tracks: it uses their 'title'
> metatag for
> > sorting rather than the filename. iPhone/iPod also uses the 'album' tag to
> > group tracks into logical albums, regardless of filename.
>
> ... Ever considered start using those pesky info tags instead of
> insisting on using the filename as info container?
> I could probably eaily list 100 good reasons why players should use tags
> and not filenames as source of info, but will settle with these three:
>
> - Tags are structured data. The tags have titles. "Artist". "Title".
> "Album". Track". "Year". Filenames could be *anything*. The number at
> the beginning gof the filename could be *anything*. Like the owners
> personal top ten list. Or a date. Or even the band-name. Go figure why a
> player ignore the filename...! :D
>
> - When people update, add or correct info in their music collection
> typically this is done by the software by altering the metatags. They
> don't start renaming the files.
>
> - You got the "track number" tag for a reason - use it! Simple as that.
>
> I do not use iTunes myself, nor any other Apple related product, but I
> dare guarantee that the player take the track number tag into consideration.
>
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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

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Espen KrømkeJan 26, 2011
 

 
Den 27. jan. 2011 04:40, skrev nylon net:

>
> The problem with tags is that they're not visible in a file manager. You have to
> get into a tag editor, or go into file properties to see them. At least in a
> filename, they're staring you in the face.

... Only if you open a file manager ;)

Yes, you need proper software to manage a tag-based collection, but need
no editor to *read* the tags. Usually a decent mp3-player gives you an
interface to these data.
But there are players who also offer tag editing tools. And while we are
on that subject I'd like to mention the only piece of software I envy
Windows users: WinAmp.
If you happen to use Windows that is an excellent tool also for tag
editing and general maintainance of a collection.

Then you can edit multiple tracks (files) at once. Highlight a hundred
tracks and say "tag these as Genre: humor". or " Date:1984". You go do
that with your file manager! ;)

The larger your collection grow the more apparent the importance of tidy
tags and good tagging habits become. I made the transision to digital
storage of audio a few years ago. I trasferred all my CDs and vinyl
records to digital copies and sold my entire, physical collection. That
was a hell of a job (I've worked as a DJ so I had an insane amount of
vinyl records - the worst media of all to digitize).

My audio archive now holds 106.669 tracks from 23.332 albums and 24.540
artists. And believe you me: You do not want to use a file manager to
manage your collection then.

 
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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

Message 9 / 11
nylon netJan 26, 2011
 

 

> My audio archive now holds 106.669 tracks from 23.332 albums and 24.540
> artists. And believe you me: You do not want to use a file manager to
> manage your collection then.

-----Original Message-----
From: espen.kromke@...
Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:23:12 +0100
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

Den 27. jan. 2011 04:40, skrev nylon net:
>
> The problem with tags is that they're not visible in a file manager. You have to
> get into a tag editor, or go into file properties to see them. At least in a
> filename, they're staring you in the face.

... Only if you open a file manager ;)

Yes, you need proper software to manage a tag-based collection, but need
no editor to *read* the tags. Usually a decent mp3-player gives you an
interface to these data.
But there are players who also offer tag editing tools. And while we are
on that subject I'd like to mention the only piece of software I envy
Windows users: WinAmp.
If you happen to use Windows that is an excellent tool also for tag
editing and general maintainance of a collection.

Then you can edit multiple tracks (files) at once. Highlight a hundred
tracks and say "tag these as Genre: humor". or " Date:1984". You go do
that with your file manager! ;)

The larger your collection grow the more apparent the importance of tidy
tags and good tagging habits become. I made the transision to digital
storage of audio a few years ago. I trasferred all my CDs and vinyl
records to digital copies and sold my entire, physical collection. That
was a hell of a job (I've worked as a DJ so I had an insane amount of
vinyl records - the worst media of all to digitize).

My audio archive now holds 106.669 tracks from 23.332 albums and 24.540
artists. And believe you me: You do not want to use a file manager to
manage your collection then.

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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

Message 10 / 11
Don JudgeJan 27, 2011
 

 

> The problem with tags is that they're not visible in a file manager.

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Topic: Re: I-tunes update Jan 2011.

Message 11 / 11
nylon netJan 27, 2011
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: don@...
Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:16:35 +0000 (GMT)
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

> The problem with tags is that they're not visible in a file manager.

Sorry but I beg to differ... they are.

This works in Vista (yeah, I know...) I can't remember about earlier incarnations of 'Windoze'.

To set up the tag viewer:

In Windows Explorer go to your top-level music/programme directory.

Right-click and select Properties

Select Customize tab

Select Music details template

Tick Apply this template to all subfolders

Click OK

To view the tags:

Select Details from the View menu

You get Artist, Album, Track Number by default, to see others:

Right-click in column header bar

Select which attributes you wish to see

(the data is taken from the mp3 tags)

Unfortunately adding tags only works folder-by-folder.

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From: nylon net <nylon@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Thursday, 27 January, 2011 3:40:18
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

With Dean's forbearance  (since this discussion can be relevant to digital collectors such as us, and since JAM is currently on holidays)...  Don't want to get buzzed off for deviation  :-)

The problem with tags is that they're not visible in a file manager.  You have to get into a tag editor, or go into file properties to see them.  At least in a filename, they're staring you in the face. (Yes, I know Windows Explorer can show tags, but for me it's a pain to set up.)  Obviously you wouldn't use the filename for everything, but key file identifiers are justifiable.

I must admit I stretch my own rules a bit sometimes.  With my Iron Chef collection, names look like this:
IronChef-Anglerfish[=272@19990326]Morimoto&Masahara-SD

But at least I don't need to go far to see the episode title, number, date, competitors, file resolution - and the unique delimiters make it possible for me to parse the names programmatically. 

I do admit I'm battling my old habits. I remember being in the 8.3 DOS filenaming days pooh-poohing this new Windows 3 and its nancy-fancy-pantsy long file name fad thing, which would NEVER last.

Curse it.  It did last.  And this internet thingy looks like it will last too.

But 3D TV won't!  :-)

Mark
nylon@...

-----Original Message-----
From: espen.kromke@...
Sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:18:34 +0100
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.

 

Ok this is getting waaay off topic and I expect the list boss to hit
down on us heavy and mercyless anytime soon now :)

But an alternative solution to your described problem is this:

Don't rename the files. Rename the track tags! Start with disk number,
then the track number. Like this:

Disk 1:
101 track title
102 track title
103 track title
etc

Disk 2:
201 track title
202 track title
203 track title
204 track title
etc

Disk 3:
301 track title
etc

This is a much better, more consistent way of treating your collection,
cause the data stays persistent. Then you can move around and copy and
whatnot of the files to your hearts desire. Sort on album title and
track number, and voila they are listed in a logical manner.

The bottom line and holy mantra from the tech people is: Do not use
filenames as information containers. (may be repeated in a monotone, low
voice).

Den 26. jan. 2011 21:21, skrev nylon net:
> Hi Espen. What you say is true. You have to pay attention to tags because many
> players pay attention to them.
>
> The track number tag is a mixed blessing, however. I've often seen audiobook
> files in separate folders (e.g. chapter1,chapter2,chapter3) and each folder's
> files' track tag count starts at 1. If I take the files out of their subfolders
> and put them all in a single folder, they will play in unexpected order, e.g.
> Chapter1 track 1, chapter2 track 1, chapter 3 track 1, chapter 1 track 2...
>
> That's why I often use MP3tag to remove track number data and rely on
> consecutive filename serial numbers to cue files in the right order.
>
> Mark
> nylon@...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* espen.kromke@...
> *Sent:* Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:17:08 +0100
> *To:* just-a-minute@...
> *Subject:* Re: [just-a-minute] I-tunes update Jan 2011.
>
> > inconsistent with the filenames of the tracks: it uses their 'title'
> metatag for
> > sorting rather than the filename. iPhone/iPod also uses the 'album' tag to
> > group tracks into logical albums, regardless of filename.
>
> ... Ever considered start using those pesky info tags instead of
> insisting on using the filename as info container?
> I could probably eaily list 100 good reasons why players should use tags
> and not filenames as source of info, but will settle with these three:
>
> - Tags are structured data. The tags have titles. "Artist". "Title".
> "Album". Track". "Year". Filenames could be *anything*. The number at
> the beginning gof the filename could be *anything*. Like the owners
> personal top ten list. Or a date. Or even the band-name. Go figure why a
> player ignore the filename...! :D
>
> - When people update, add or correct info in their music collection
> typically this is done by the software by altering the metatags. They
> don't start renaming the files.
>
> - You got the "track number" tag for a reason - use it! Simple as that.
>
> I do not use iTunes myself, nor any other Apple related product, but I
> dare guarantee that the player take the track number tag into consideration.
>
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