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Re: New vs Old

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Nathan LeonardFeb 22, 2007
 
 
To be fair on Sue Perkins, London is a big place.  I doubt that anybody trying to do research on the city could be expected to dredge up every possible detail, especially when they don't know what they're going to be asked.  The nature of the Serpentine is, let's face it, quite an insignificant fact that they are unlikely to be asked about.  If I was going to do an episode of JAM somewhere I'd probably do much more research on local history than on local geography, especially when "local geography" covers an area as wide as London.

To return to another tangent - is the Serpentine at least long, thin, and a bit wavy?  If not, does anybody know why it's called that?

On 2/23/07, Robert Torres <bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:



Dave <j_a_m_fan@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

--- In just-a-minute@..., "bobbyshaddoe3004"
<bobbyshaddoe3004@...> wrote:
Funny, I don't seem to understand just what your point was actually.

This was, in part, my point exactly.

> The fact is, Nicholas has often stated time immemorial, that evenif
> you don't know a thing about a subject, you still have to talk
about
> it irrespective. The reason some of these individuals decided to
> read up on this sort of information, because they usually CHOOSE to
> do so for their own reasons, usually to work their comedy about the
> place they happen to be visiting.
>
> I myself have been accused of being pedantic on things regarding
this
> show, but I think this is just getting a bit TOO pedantic. The
> subject Sue was talking about was 'Old Father Thames' and when she
> had the subject she did very well with it, discussing him as well
as
> Old Mother Thames. I think the issue over Sue's alleged ignorance
> regarding the Serpentine and the Thames is totally immaterial.

I'm quite happy to be accused of 'pedantry on an industrial scale' to
quote Stephen Fry, but if you check this wasn't the only instance
with this particular player. To continue the Fry quotes 'I'll hold up
my end for the Radio 4 listener'.
I don't seem to recall any other instance of Sue being ignorant on some subject, but its as I said before, I take it that because Sue knows in certain instances that if she were to just make something up, there is the possibility that someone might or might not challenge her, because surely something like that has been done by plenty of other panelists on the show, why single Sue Perkins out because of it?  I mean, it just seems unfair to single her out, for what, going on flights of fantasy?  the very thing people like Paul Merton do frequently, or someone like Ross Noble who takes a subject and creates surrealistic word pictures out of them, or even someone like Clement Freud, who was once given the subject of 'Fatboy Slim' and took it as 'Fat Boy's Limb', or I think on one subject kept insisting that the word or term, whatever it was, was allegedly 'a snooker term', but would never elaborate on it. 


>
> --- In just-a-minute@... , "Dave" <j_a_m_fan@> wrote:
> >
> > I've never lived in London either; or Portsmouth. HMS Victory was
> > Nelson's flag ship at the battle of Trafalgar and a huge point of
> > civic pride that it is preserved there, I'm sure.
> >
> > My point is that Graham Norton has never lived in Sheffield, but
on
> > his appearances there he had done what research he could; Sheila
> > Hancock in the Hastings recording had done the same, even stating
> she
> > had anticipated local questions. These performers know the game
> > format when its out on the road (ie. not in London), and approach
> it
> > with a suitable degree of professionalism.
> >
> >
> > --- In just-a-minute@..., "Nathan Leonard"
> > <dreadedwoekitten@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have to say that although I have heard of the HMS Victory, I
> > couldn't tell
> > > you offhand why it's famous. And I thought the Serpentine was
a
> > river, not
> > > a lake. Mind you, I've never lived in London.
> > >
> > > On 2/20/07, dbedford@ <dbedford@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I expect this will probably not make me popular around
> > > > > here, but I have to say that I firmly believe that Just a
> > > > > Minute has actually been much better in recent years than
> > > > > it was in times of old.
> > > >
> > > > I wouldn't think you would be in the minority actually. On
> > > > the TV show Arena a few years ago, Nick himself reckoned it
> > > > was funnier these days. Of course these days most of the
> > > > cast are professional comedians, which Kenneth, Clement,
> > > > Peter, Derek and most of their contemporaries were not.
> > > >
> > > > I personally like both "versions" if that's the right word
> > > > in different ways. I do feel the current show shuffles the
> > > > pack too much and you miss out on the really great banter
> > > > and interaction that comes when everyone knows exactly how
> > > > to pull everyone else's string. And I like the drama that
> > > > Kenneth offered. But Paul and Graham do come out with
> > > > funnier lines and stories. My Desert Island list included
> > > > plenty from both eras. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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