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Re: Missing JAMs

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Clitheroe KidApr 17, 2012
 
 
Contacting sound archives is a waste of time, I too tried that already and was simply ignored. my contacts at radio 4 extra have investigated in any case, so I already know that s.a. only hold 3 editions of jam from before 1980.
If bbc have any recordings, it will be BBC Worldwide who have them, held as 25 min LP recordings. But if Worldwide have them, they are not 'lost'. If not, they stil are NOT lost, because ABC have them.
So we are really talking about money: the cost of digital conversion and' restoration, but bbc are facing budget cuts. ironically, if ABC had only one or 2 editions it might be affordable, but the cost per LP multiplied by 200 is not.


To: just-a-minute@...
From: dbedford@...
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:15:47 +1200
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs



I haven’t made any proposals, I’m just commenting on two separate suggestions made in this thread – that we ask the BBC if they have these shows, and that we try a broadcast appeal for people with tapes to come forward. As I’ve made clear I am pessimistic about our chances of success, but given there was interest, I was trying to be helpful.
 
You appear to know more than the rest of us. Do you think either of these suggestions is practical? If so, what course do you think should be adopted?
 
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs
 
 
dean, there are many problems with your proposal.
1. bbc sound archives do not allow any form of public access.
2. most documentation such as overseas sales contracts are held by wriftten archive centre not by sound archives.
3. the physical magnetic tapes and vinyl LPs are held in storage, by british library, not at broadcasting house.
4. many tapes and lps are held by bbc worldwide, their commercial arm, not by sound archives; consequently have never been entered into the archive's database. such items are typically held in bristol, not in london.



To: just-a-minute@...
From: dbedford@...
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:22:25 +1200
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs



I’m the one who commented last year that the BBC is very unlikely to still have these shows. My reasoning is a bit more sophisticated than your summary here, but your basic point, that we don’t know for sure, is true.
 
You have to remember that for a long time the BBC said it didn’t even hold episode one and it was an Australian friend who pointed out it was still running occasionally on the ABC. As is reasonably well known the BBC had a policy of using tapes several times in the late 60s and my strong suspicion is that the only one that may possibly turn up is the Christmas 1974 one.
 
Still as you say we don’t know for sure.
 
I have tried to get the BBC archives to help me with things a couple of times and like you never even had a “sorry but we are too busy to help” in reply. But again, to be fair, it has been a while. A couple of years ago the BBC talked about opening up its archives to the public entirely, so maybe they are a bit more open about things.
 
I tend to think it would be best pursued by someone in London who could physically go to the archives if that proved to be the best thing to do. From a website POV it would be good to complete the lists of subjects and winners on the website though it of course is very unlikely they would release the tapes to us even if they do still exist.
 
In terms of having an appeal made on the radio for anyone with tapes to come forward, if you like I am happy to help with this. Again I tend to think the best thing though would be for a British person to do this who is happy to have their address and/or phone number broadcast. Anyone willing to step forward? If someone is prepared to take this under their wing as a project...
 
I should make it clear though that I have never had any significant help of any sort from the BBC, until my recent contact with Andy Brereton (who has now left the BBC). Still if someone is willing to be a contact point I am prepared to try.
 
cheers, Dean
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: Dave B
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Missing JAMs
 
 
Has anyone actually "asked the BBC" whether on not they have copies of the missing episodes? We know we haven't got them, and surely that's all we know for certain.

I wrote to the BBC webpage dealing with lost treasures last year after finding Getting Wound Up and never got a response, though I think it had become a mothballed inititative of Greg Dyke's.
 
Someone said (last year) they'd probably have been broadcast again if they had them but that's supposition and not fact.
 
It would be great if we had a patron to help us get the BBC to search. How about Nicholas or Paul?
 
Anyway, I'll just take my virtual bow for Getting Wound Up, my sole contribution to the hundreds that have been provided by fellow members.





 
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