Just A Minute

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From: Clitheroe Kid <clitheroekid@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 15:27
Subject: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty ?

No. I believe that you have misunderstood.
 
What you are quoting is merely a BBC website. Such a site has no legal status; it is not the law.
 
The law is set out in an Act of Parliament. All you have found is a statement by the BBC as to what they CLAIM the law is. You have not found what the law actually is.
 
I am not aware of any law which supports the BBC's opinion. The law which created the BBC's right to charge a fee long pre-dates the existence of the internet, and refers only to a television set. The BBC would like the law to apply to other devices; but I am not aware of any statutory basis supporting their opinion that it does.
 
Of course, as you are aware, the radio licence was abolished in 1971. Only TV reception, not radio reception, requires a licence today.

 

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To: just-a-minute@...
From: wayne.styles@...
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 22:50:58 +0100
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty

Hi Don

You missed a bit

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

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From: Don Judge <don@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 22:41
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty

 

From the TV Licensing website...

"You need a valid TV Licence if you use TV receiving equipment to watch or record television programmes as they’re being shown on TV. ‘TV receiving equipment’ means any equipment which is used to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. This includes a TV, computer, mobile phone, games console, digital box, DVD/VHS recorder or any other device."

 

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From: Steve Kenrick <steve.kenrick@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 21:25
Subject: RE: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty

You only need a license if you watch tv as it is being broadcast on conventional tv.
 
You can listen to as much radio as you like without a license fee, (thanks to all the license fee payers of course).

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To: just-a-minute@...
From: wayne.styles@...
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 21:16:12 +0100
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty

 

sorry wrong. You cannot opt out of the licence fee. Unless you have no tv or radio at all. Sky is totally optional.

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Regards & best wishes

On 9 Oct 2012, at 20:08, Steve Kenrick <steve.kenrick@...> wrote:

 

< It could be argued that we as a public own the rights to all BBC broadcasts and should be able to do with what we wish. We did HAVE to pay the < < < licence fees without exception and threats of prosecution if we didnt.

Would anybody use the same argument for SKY programmes, assuming that they have paid the asking rate to watch the programmes?

Nobody made anybody pay the license fee. All could have chosen not to watch BBC tv.

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To: just-a-minute@...
From: wayne.styles@...
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 18:25:39 +0100
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty

 

Badger

TO be fair to the BBC, they still own the rights to the broadcasts. I know they may have lost the originals etc, but the individual does not own the rights either. Yes, I agree that they will sell the end products and prevent others from using where and when they can. But to be fair its their right to do so.  The BBC seem to forget that without people like Bob Monkhouse and the avid collectors (like the current group) are part of the millions that support the BBC in many ways.

It could be argued that we as a public own the rights to all BBC broadcasts and should be able to do with what we wish. We did HAVE to pay the licence fees without exception and threats of prosecution if we didnt.

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From: badger dance <badger_dance@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 18:03
Subject: RE: [just-a-minute] BBC Amnesty

 

You will give your copies to The BBC they will take your content, process it and package it for broadcast/iPlayer etc. This content WILL then become a commodity for sale by BBC Worldwide Enterprises Ltd.who WILL seek to protect THEIR copyright by stopping those that freely share it via P2P/file sharing etc. Amnesties are periods of time when penalties are withheld - amnesties come to an end. (But the BBC will have your details)