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Topic: JAM and CHANGES

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WayneNov 22, 2012
 

 
Hi All
Listening to some of the old ones yesterday, I was surprised how rude Kenneth Williams was to the women players. "this is a mans game" and "Dont listen to that female impersonator" were a couple of his comments. I dont think he would have been allowed on the show today.

I am wondering if this maybe why some shows are not being repeated as the comments and style do not really fit into todays BBC.

Just a thought

Wayne

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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Espen KNov 22, 2012
 

 

 

Hi All
Listening to some of the old ones yesterday, I was surprised how rude Kenneth Williams was to the women players. "this is a mans game" and "Dont listen to that female impersonator" were a couple of his comments. I dont think he would have been allowed on the show today.

I am wondering if this maybe why some shows are not being repeated as the comments and style do not really fit into todays BBC.

Just a thought

Wayne

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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mathewNov 23, 2012
 

 
I like Kenneth, he added something different, an element of farce to the procedings which otherwise could be quick straight at times.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Espen K <espen.kromke@...> wrote:
>
> It was just his sense of humour, nothing to be taken seriously. *shrugs*
>
> I can't stand the guy, but that's a different discussion.
>
>
> On 22. nov. 2012 19:50, Wayne wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> > Listening to some of the old ones yesterday, I was surprised how rude
> > Kenneth Williams was to the women players. "this is a mans game" and
> > "Dont listen to that female impersonator" were a couple of his
> > comments. I dont think he would have been allowed on the show today.
> >
> > I am wondering if this maybe why some shows are not being repeated as
> > the comments and style do not really fit into todays BBC.
> >
> > Just a thought
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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perradox77Nov 23, 2012
 

 
He could be very rude indeed, as was more or less expected of him. And no it would not happen today. However, if you listen past a programs first seemingly misogynist insult about 'not having women on the show' you'll likely find him challenging another player for 'not being a gentleman' towards a female guest (many of whom he also happened to be a personal friend of) The thing with Kenneth was you never knew what he would do: Display his erudition, argue a challenge only to contradict himself moments later, give praise, lash out with barbed insults or just clown about and enjoy being the centre of attention.

In the old shows insults are rife among the players not the least directed at the poor chairman. It's important though to remember that
they were almost always given with a smile and part of a 'friendly' competition. As I'm sure no one with more then passing knowledge of him will disagree. To say that Kenneth Williams was a conflicted man is an understatement. He both loved and despised most things in his life, himself included. I enjoy all the eras of this great game. Kenneth Williams and Paul Merton are who we have to thank for the program having survived this long. This post did turn out a fair bit longer than I had planned :)

--- In just-a-minute@..., Espen K <espen.kromke@...> wrote:
>
> It was just his sense of humour, nothing to be taken seriously. *shrugs*
>
> I can't stand the guy, but that's a different discussion.
>
>
> On 22. nov. 2012 19:50, Wayne wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> > Listening to some of the old ones yesterday, I was surprised how rude
> > Kenneth Williams was to the women players. "this is a mans game" and
> > "Dont listen to that female impersonator" were a couple of his
> > comments. I dont think he would have been allowed on the show today.
> >
> > I am wondering if this maybe why some shows are not being repeated as
> > the comments and style do not really fit into todays BBC.
> >
> > Just a thought
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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Wayne StylesNov 23, 2012
 

 

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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Espen KrømkeNov 24, 2012
 

 
 

Hi perradox77 and all readers,

I agree with you 100% about Kenneth and it was this that made him funny and sad at the same times. But my point seems to have been lost somewhat. I was suggesting that the BBC and other are not going to broadcast these episodes again in today's climate of being PC, just like they would never broadcast the Black and White Minstrels show (they may show the odd still picture). So I think we mayne never hear these again on the BBC. 

Thanks Wayne

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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Wayne StylesNov 24, 2012
 

 

 
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Topic: Re: JAM and CHANGES

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mathewNov 24, 2012
 

 
Kenneth got on very well with Barbara Windsor and i believe Sheila Hancock as they were certainly very friendly and complimentary on JaM and i recall Sheila calling a halt to her appearances on the show for a long time because of Kenneth's death.
Kenneth was a very complicated person and it was and is very difficult to really know what he was really meaning in what he said as his opinions changed frequently depending on his mood, health and a number of other things.

I do agree with the origianl point about the bbc, not that i agree with the stance the corporation takes. Its far too concerned with not offending people and so ends up playing it far too safe. Unfortunately we live in a time when some people complain about others being offended when 98% of those people either find it funny or couldnt care less. For example an MP complained on the behalf of residents in Cornwall when William Shatner made a joke about it on Have I Got News For You, the people who stayed there were more annoyed by the MP complaining about the joke.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Wayne Styles <wayne.styles@...> wrote:
>
> The female panelist is Aimee McDonald and I find her very funny indeed. It has always been a debate if she was acting or not, but playing up the "Oh Darling, he cant say that can he". I remember her at the time as a child and found her very nice to watch as well.
> As already said, he did work with many of the women on the panel, but he did not like women except Hattie Jaques and him mum Lou. His diaries show he despised most women and men, that he pretended to be be friends with. 
> On the broadcast point by the BBC, its just a thought as debate goes on as to why they broadcast in a seemingly random order.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Espen Krømke <espen.kromke@...>
> To: just-a-minute@...
> Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 8:07
> Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: JAM and CHANGES
>
>
>  
> I can't see why they shouldn't (or wouldn't) broadcast it. His jokes were not *that* gross, and you find jokes on in that same vein on shows like QI today. To be a bit edgy is part of the british humour, in my opinion.
>
> Personally, if I were BBC I'd have more problems airing the
> episodes with that female panellist who sound like a caricature of
> a dumb blonde, without being funny at all. She's just... Dumb.
> Boy, times have changed since then, and it's not all for the
> worse. :)
>
> (all in my humble opinion, of course)
>
>
>
> On 24. nov. 2012 00:09, Wayne Styles wrote:
>
>  
> >Hi perradox77 and all readers,
> >I agree with you 100% about Kenneth and it was this that made him funny and sad at the same times. But my point seems to have been lost somewhat. I was suggesting that the BBC and other are not going to broadcast these episodes again in today's climate of being PC, just like they would never broadcast the Black and White Minstrels show (they may show the odd still picture). So I think we mayne never hear these again on the BBC. 
> >Thanks Wayne
>