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> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:58:58 +0000
> Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Four special/exta shows with different chairs?
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> Apart from the three eps in series 2 where the chairperson rotated through three episodes, there have been 6 other occasions where Nicholas played as panelist and one of the other panelists became chairman. However, neither Peter nor Derek has ever appeared as chairman.
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> Of these 6 episodes, 2 were chaired by Kenneth (in 1970 and 1983), 2 by Clement(in 1970 and 1983), once by Andre Melly (in 1972) and once by Ian Messiter (in 1977).
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> Obviously, Nicholas is mis-remembering things, or they were never broadcast. Who knows, really?
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> EmileJ
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> --- In just-a-minute@..., "texywolf" wrote:
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> > Early in an interview with Ed Doolan, Nicholas Parsons mentions that there were four special / extra episodes a number of years ago, where each of the four regulars (KW, PJ, DN and CF) chaired an episode and NP was one of the contestants.
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> > I'm aware of a few very early episodes where NP did not chair (where CF, KW and Geraldine J chaired), but I cannot find any episodes where PJ and DN chaired ... ?
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--- In just-a-minute@..., Clitheroe Kid wrote:
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> You've misunderstood, texywolf.
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> You are perhaps thinking that, because _we_ use the expression 'regular foursome' in connection with Clement, Kenneth, Derek and Peter, that any reference by Nicholas to 'regulars' must also mean that foursome. But that ain't necessarily so.
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> In the beginning, the regulars were Clement, Kenneth and Andre. And when Nicholas speaks of 'the regulars' - in the anecdote you're quoting - he means those three, who, for one entire series early in the programme's history, were in every show. Those three did each substitute for Old Nick, as chairman, as Emile points out. But they weren't as good, in chairing the game, as they were as panellists. So in the end those experiments were stopped - the players had found out, by trying it, that being chairman was harder than it looked.
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> Basically, they were all rubbish at it, and it showed how good a chairman Nick really was. Despite the oft expressed humorous jibes, implying that it was a job anyone could do, they had found to their surprise that it actually wasn't.
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> In 1977, Ian Messiter subbed for Nicholas so that Nick could appear as a panellist, in an emergency, when bad weather prevented one of the contracted panellists from reaching the studio in time for the recording. Clement was trapped in Suffolk by a snowstorm, IIRC, and couldn't appear. But this was not an instance of trying out a new chairman, as on the earlier occasions, it was just purely an emergency.
Thanks for the reply. Here is the direct quotation of what Nicholas
Parsons said in the interview with Ed Doolan:
"Yes, we did four shows --
a number of years ago -- they suddenly wanted four specials, well, four extras
-- and they said, I know what we'll do, because we had four regulars then -- KW,
PJ, DN and CF -- and so, I know, he said, the producer -- for these four extra
shows we're doing, which are going out as a separate little entity, we'll put
Nicholas on the panel for four shows and each of those four regulars will take
the part of the chairman. There were four shows which were utterly different
from anything you've ever heard and Kenneth didn't have a clue of what was going
on ..."
What do you think?
We all know Nicholas is a great chairman and a nice guy. But his memories of the show’s history aren’t always accurate. I think it’s possible he got mixed up with the series – season 2 – where they did alternate the chair around. But he’s also said that there was a show where they alternated the chair around round by round within one show. He also frequently says the gang of four were all together within two years – they weren’t – and that there was a long period when every show had the four regulars on – there never was. We can love Nicholas, and respect him, while forgiving his mistakes.Anyway point is – as Emile said – there never was a JAM chaired by either Peter or Derek. Peter was a successful chairman on another show though.
On 12 January 2013 07:13, Espen Krømke <espen.kromke@...> wrote:--I would just like to add to this, that Nic's memory in this case is not particulary bad from an entertainers point of view - it's us fans who are obsessively into the details. :)
It's very, very common that great entertainers can say the most elementary errors when it comes to their own career that the fans spot *immediately*. All the great entertainers I've been into over the years have publicly said the most basic errors in regards to their own career, releases, dates, locations... It really is not as big a deal to them as it is to us.
Den 11. jan. 2013 19:09, skrev Dean:We all know Nicholas is a great chairman and a nice guy. But his memories of the show’s history aren’t always accurate. I think it’s possible he got mixed up with the series – season 2 – where they did alternate the chair around. But he’s also said that there was a show where they alternated the chair around round by round within one show. He also frequently says the gang of four were all together within two years – they weren’t – and that there was a long period when every show had the four regulars on – there never was. We can love Nicholas, and respect him, while forgiving his mistakes.Anyway point is – as Emile said – there never was a JAM chaired by either Peter or Derek. Peter was a successful chairman on another show though.Mark
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