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Clitheroe KidJan 26, 2013
 

 

 
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Cymro GwirionJan 26, 2013
 

 
I agree - and seeing as there is a complete copy of the episode with Polo as the first round - the question for me anyway is - is there any point in keeping the My Strengths version? Probably not!

 
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Simon B KellyJan 26, 2013
 

 
The confusing part of all this is that the 25 minute edit contains all 10 rounds. The longer version of the show, running 28 minutes, contains only 9 rounds!

I've therefore renamed my 28m version as "My Strength", but left the 25m version as "Polo". As they have both been edited differently it's worth keeping both.

I noticed the same thing today with episodes of "Quote... Unquote" where the BBC have made both 24 minute and 29 minute edits of the same episodes.

Simon

 
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charles_rookeJan 26, 2013
 

 
The longer version (presumably the UK original broadcast) excludes "Polo", starts with "My Strength" and includes both "Yellow Lines" and "Beating The System".

The 25 minute (presumably TS) version includes both "Polo" and "My Strength" but excludes "Yellow Lines" and "Beating The System".

"Polo" is only in the shorter (TS) version. "Yellow Lines" and "Beating The System" are only in the longer (UK) version. So one needs to keep both versions. Personally I choose to label the files as:
1975.12.16 s10e13 #207[UK] - My Strength
1975.12.16 s10e13 #207[TS] - Polo

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Simon B Kelly" wrote:
>
> The confusing part of all this is that the 25 minute edit contains all 10 rounds. The longer version of the show, running 28 minutes, contains only 9 rounds!
>
> I've therefore renamed my 28m version as "My Strength", but left the 25m version as "Polo". As they have both been edited differently it's worth keeping both.
>
> I noticed the same thing today with episodes of "Quote... Unquote" where the BBC have made both 24 minute and 29 minute edits of the same episodes.
>
> Simon
>

 
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Don JudgeJan 26, 2013
 

 

 
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Simon B KellyJan 26, 2013
 

 
Thank you, Charlie. I missed the extra rounds when scanning through the two files yesterday. I did notice the additional banter between rounds has been edited differently as well. Upon closer inspection the longer (UK) version contains:
My Strength, Cowboys, My Last Hat, Pognophobia, Edward VII, The Unexpected, Yellow Lines, A Balanced Meal, When I'm Cornered, Beating the System, Ties

The alternate (TS) version contains:
Polo, My Strength, Cowboys, My Last Hat, Pognophobia, Edward VII, The Unexpected, A Balanced Meal, When I'm Cornered, Ties

Are there any other episodes that include additional rounds not included during the original broadcasts or is this the only one?

Simon

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" wrote:
>
> The longer version (presumably the UK original broadcast) excludes "Polo", starts with "My Strength" and includes both "Yellow Lines" and "Beating The System".
>
> The 25 minute (presumably TS) version includes both "Polo" and "My Strength" but excludes "Yellow Lines" and "Beating The System".
>
> "Polo" is only in the shorter (TS) version. "Yellow Lines" and "Beating The System" are only in the longer (UK) version. So one needs to keep both versions. Personally I choose to label the files as:
> 1975.12.16 s10e13 #207[UK] - My Strength
> 1975.12.16 s10e13 #207[TS] - Polo
>
> Charlie
>
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., "Simon B Kelly" wrote:
> >
> > The confusing part of all this is that the 25 minute edit contains all 10 rounds. The longer version of the show, running 28 minutes, contains only 9 rounds!
> >
> > I've therefore renamed my 28m version as "My Strength", but left the 25m version as "Polo". As they have both been edited differently it's worth keeping both.
> >
> > I noticed the same thing today with episodes of "Quote... Unquote" where the BBC have made both 24 minute and 29 minute edits of the same episodes.
> >
> > Simon
> >
>

 
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Espen KrømkeJan 26, 2013
 

 

 

> I've therefore renamed my 28m version as "My Strength", but left the 25m version as "Polo". As they have both been edited differently it's worth keeping both.

 
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charles_rookeJan 27, 2013
 

 
Simon - I have one other episode in two versions, being 1977.03.16 s11e20 #239. The longer (I assume UK) version starts with "Peanuts", includes "Fowl", but excludes "Ties". The shorter (I assume TS) version starts with "Fowl", includes "Ties", but excludes "Peanuts".

Many of our current collection are from ABC and, therefore, are the shorter TS edits rather than the longer UK broadcasts. Only if one has both versions can one compare to see what has been omitted by TS and, more importantly, to see if there is anything extra in the TS version that wasn't in the UK. However, such differences don't leap out at one unless (as with the two episodes above) the "first round" is different.

I note that Dean's transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239 are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast at once! So Dean has been over this ground thoroughly already and can hopefully tell us if there are any more such episodes.

Dean - Over to you.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Simon B Kelly" wrote:
>
>
> Are there any other episodes that include additional rounds not included during the original broadcasts or is this the only one?
>
> Simon
>
>

 
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Josey SmithJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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Josey SmithJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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charles_rookeJan 27, 2013
 

 
Espen - It's a matter of taste and I wouldn't criticise such an approach. Certainly it's an approach that has been adopted successfully for making "extended" restorations of ISIRTA (and, I think, The Goon Show). Interestingly, Dean's JAM transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239 are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast at once!

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Espen Krømke" wrote:
>
> ... Or how about we splice the episodes to create the "complete
> version"? Or would that be to tamper too much with history? :)
>

 
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charles_rookeJan 27, 2013
 

 
Transcription Services - the department of the BBC that was responsible for producing vinyl LP record versions of programmes for distribution to overseas broadcasters (notably Australia, Canada, South Africa, and USA - and, I guess, New Zealand).

I've uploaded my copy of "My Strength" here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dkzdrq

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., Josey Smith wrote:
>
> I'm probably being stupid, but what does TS stand for?
>
> Also, I have a copy of the 'Polo' episode, and was wondering if someone
> could point me in the direction of the 'My Strength' copy.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Josey
>
>
>

 
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charles_rookeJan 27, 2013
 

 
Uploaded for you here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ifhsd4

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., Josey Smith wrote:
>
> Could someone also tell me where to find the "Peanuts" version of #239.
> Thank you.
>
>
>

 
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Josey SmithJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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mathewJan 27, 2013
 

 
This is getting very confusing.
Having went thru the two versions i have i find i have two Peanuts with fouls but no ties. So where can i get the other?

On another note, ive said elsewhere that i am unable to grasp the whole uploading thing, dont get me started on the laptop i use, but im happy to share any nessessary files thru email attachments - i can email them to someone and then they can put them here. Its a long method admittedly.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" wrote:
>
> Uploaded for you here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ifhsd4
>
> Charlie
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., Josey Smith wrote:
> >
> > Could someone also tell me where to find the "Peanuts" version of #239.
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
>

 
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Don JudgeJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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Espen KrømkeJan 27, 2013
 

 

 

On another note, ive said elsewhere that i am unable to grasp the whole uploading thing, dont get me started on the laptop i use, but im happy to share any nessessary files thru email attachments - i can email them to someone and then they can put them here. Its a long method admittedly.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" wrote:
>
> Uploaded for you here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ifhsd4
>
> Charlie
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., Josey Smith wrote:
> >
> > Could someone also tell me where to find the "Peanuts" version of #239.
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
>

 
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charles_rookeJan 27, 2013
 

 
In which case you are missing Just A Minute - 1977.03.16 s11e20 #239 [TS] - Fowl (+ Ties - Peanuts).mp3, which I've uploaded for you here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/lzy9d9

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "mathew" wrote:
>
> This is getting very confusing.
> Having went thru the two versions i have i find i have two Peanuts with fouls but no ties. So where can i get the other?
>

 
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charles_rookeJan 27, 2013
 

 
For completeness (someone is bound to want it!), 1975.12.16 s10e13 #207 [TS] - Polo (+ My Strength -Yellow Lines - Beating The System) [ABC 2006-04-10].mp3 is uploaded here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/vc1u4a

Charlie

 
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mathewJan 27, 2013
 

 
In these episodes where we have one topic but not another am i right in saying that we dont have a complete unedited episode? If so is it just those topics missing and therefore if we paste the missing topic back into the best quality one wouldnt we have it all?

If this has been asked before forgive me?

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" wrote:
>
> For completeness (someone is bound to want it!), 1975.12.16 s10e13 #207 [TS] - Polo (+ My Strength -Yellow Lines - Beating The System) [ABC 2006-04-10].mp3 is uploaded here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/vc1u4a
>
> Charlie
>

 
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James R CurryJan 27, 2013
 

 
Charles -- am I correct in saying that what you've posted is an edit of both versions, with all available rounds included?

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:08 PM, charles_rooke <charles_rooke@...> wrote:

For completeness (someone is bound to want it!), 1975.12.16 s10e13 #207 [TS] - Polo (+ My Strength -Yellow Lines - Beating The System) [ABC 2006-04-10].mp3 is uploaded here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/vc1u4a

Charlie

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DeanJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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James R CurryJan 27, 2013
 

 
All,

I've gone ahead and edited together the extended version of Polo (#207):

I used the TS version for most of the source, as the sound quality was better.  I spliced in the rounds Yellow Lines and Beating the System from the original UK broadcast.

I encoded the entire thing at a higher bitrate than either of the source files in order to minimise generational loss.  Total runtime is 29:30.

You can grab it from my site:

http://3pb.net/jam

I'll look at that other episode.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

these are the two ones that stick in the memory but it has happened with other shows. The Peter Cook one that was on the classic CD a few years ago was longer than my previous version. I have a feeling one of the Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.

 

Charlie wrote...

 

 

I note that Dean's transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239 are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast at once! So Dean has been over this ground thoroughly already and can hopefully tell us if there are any more such episodes.

Dean - Over to you.

Charlie

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nylonJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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nylonJan 27, 2013
 

 

 
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James R CurryJan 27, 2013
 

 
No problem --

I like the approach of at least keeping the extended versions for my listening pleasure, and keeping the two original versions for historical accuracy.

With that in mind, #239 is now also at that location.  This one runs 32:09 with all rounds intact, and was a little stranger, as the order of the rounds changed between versions.

I've used Dean's site/transcript as my reference when putting this together, which actually means that Sheila starts two rounds in a row.  It seems to flow perfectly well, but if someone can suggest an alternate order for everything, I'd be quite happy to re-edit it.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:36 PM, nylon <sirnylon@...> wrote:

Thanks James!  

While I have a small fear that if dissecting JAMs into segments will cause many of us to eventually explode from cumulative OCD, I don't mind.  

All this new Jamminess is leading us to a better world.

Another JAM topic recovered from the Black Hole is another topic to be enjoyed  :-)

Cheers

Mark

On 28 January 2013 14:35, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:

 

All,

I've gone ahead and edited together the extended version of Polo (#207):

I used the TS version for most of the source, as the sound quality was better.  I spliced in the rounds Yellow Lines and Beating the System from the original UK broadcast.

I encoded the entire thing at a higher bitrate than either of the source files in order to minimise generational loss.  Total runtime is 29:30.

You can grab it from my site:

http://3pb.net/jam

I'll look at that other episode.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

these are the two ones that stick in the memory but it has happened with other shows. The Peter Cook one that was on the classic CD a few years ago was longer than my previous version. I have a feeling one of the Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.

 

Charlie wrote...

 

 

I note that Dean's transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239 are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast at once! So Dean has been over this ground thoroughly already and can hopefully tell us if there are any more such episodes.

Dean - Over to you.

Charlie

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James R CurryJan 27, 2013
 

 
Might I add to that, the cut between the end of Peanuts to the start of Pottering About is quite jarring and seems to cut Peter Jones off in mid-sentence...

...it's the exact same cut that the original UK version used, down to 1/100th of a second.  It's actually quite jarring in that version, too.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:46 PM, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:

No problem --

I like the approach of at least keeping the extended versions for my listening pleasure, and keeping the two original versions for historical accuracy.

With that in mind, #239 is now also at that location.  This one runs 32:09 with all rounds intact, and was a little stranger, as the order of the rounds changed between versions.

I've used Dean's site/transcript as my reference when putting this together, which actually means that Sheila starts two rounds in a row.  It seems to flow perfectly well, but if someone can suggest an alternate order for everything, I'd be quite happy to re-edit it.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:36 PM, nylon <sirnylon@...> wrote:

Thanks James!  

While I have a small fear that if dissecting JAMs into segments will cause many of us to eventually explode from cumulative OCD, I don't mind.  

All this new Jamminess is leading us to a better world.

Another JAM topic recovered from the Black Hole is another topic to be enjoyed  :-)

Cheers

Mark

On 28 January 2013 14:35, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:

 

All,

I've gone ahead and edited together the extended version of Polo (#207):

I used the TS version for most of the source, as the sound quality was better.  I spliced in the rounds Yellow Lines and Beating the System from the original UK broadcast.

I encoded the entire thing at a higher bitrate than either of the source files in order to minimise generational loss.  Total runtime is 29:30.

You can grab it from my site:

http://3pb.net/jam

I'll look at that other episode.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

these are the two ones that stick in the memory but it has happened with other shows. The Peter Cook one that was on the classic CD a few years ago was longer than my previous version. I have a feeling one of the Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.

 

Charlie wrote...

 

 

I note that Dean's transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239 are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast at once! So Dean has been over this ground thoroughly already and can hopefully tell us if there are any more such episodes.

Dean - Over to you.

Charlie

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Espen KrømkeJan 28, 2013
 

 
 

All,

I've gone ahead and edited together the extended version of Polo (#207):

I used the TS version for most of the source, as the sound quality was better.  I spliced in the rounds Yellow Lines and Beating the System from the original UK broadcast.

I encoded the entire thing at a higher bitrate than either of the source files in order to minimise generational loss.  Total runtime is 29:30.

You can grab it from my site:

http://3pb.net/jam

I'll look at that other episode.

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

these are the two ones that stick in the memory but it has happened with other shows. The Peter Cook one that was on the classic CD a few years ago was longer than my previous version. I have a feeling one of the Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.

 

Charlie wrote...

 

 

I note that Dean's transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239 are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast at once! So Dean has been over this ground thoroughly already and can hopefully tell us if there are any more such episodes.

Dean - Over to you.

Charlie

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scratchy@...

 
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InnerRevolution7Jan 28, 2013
 

 
Wow James. You're coolness runs straight off the top of the chart. Thank you for this. :)

Jay

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I've gone ahead and edited together the extended version of Polo (#207):
>
> I used the TS version for most of the source, as the sound quality was
> better. I spliced in the rounds Yellow Lines and Beating the System from
> the original UK broadcast.
>
> I encoded the entire thing at a higher bitrate than either of the source
> files in order to minimise generational loss. Total runtime is 29:30.
>
> You can grab it from my site:
>
> http://3pb.net/jam
>
> I'll look at that other episode.
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Dean wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > these are the two ones that stick in the memory but it has happened with
> > other shows. The Peter Cook one that was on the classic CD a few years ago
> > was longer than my previous version. I have a feeling one of the
> > Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.
> >
> > Charlie wrote...
> >
> >
> > I note that Dean's transcripts for both s10e13 #207 and s11e20 #239
> > are, effectively, those of "merged recordings" in that they include all the
> > available rounds despite the fact that they seemingly weren't all broadcast
> > at once! So Dean has been over this ground thoroughly already and can
> > hopefully tell us if there are any more such episodes.
> >
> > Dean - Over to you.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> James R Curry
> scratchy@...
>

 
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mathewJan 28, 2013
 

 
Fantabulous James, fantabulous. Thank you for those, will be great having all the rounds in one episode. Tho we now have 3 edits for 1 episode.
So out of interest does this mean that all of the 25 or so minute shows we have are incomplete due to TS editing them down?
The Beeb broadcast of Series 1 Episode 5 for the first time in decades a few months back is certainly longer than the rest from around that period running in at 3 seconds shy of 30 minutes whilst the others are between 25 and 27 minutes long.

Obviously this shouldnt result in burning all the ones we do have and putting ash on our heads - tho it is wet outside so setting fires is not very practicle at the moment anyway.

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry wrote:
>
> Might I add to that, the cut between the end of Peanuts to the start of
> Pottering About is quite jarring and seems to cut Peter Jones off in
> mid-sentence...
>
> ...it's the exact same cut that the original UK version used, down to
> 1/100th of a second. It's actually quite jarring in that version, too.
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:46 PM, James R Curry wrote:
>
> > No problem --
> >
> > I like the approach of at least keeping the extended versions for my
> > listening pleasure, and keeping the two original versions for historical
> > accuracy.
> >
> > With that in mind, #239 is now also at that location. This one runs 32:09
> > with all rounds intact, and was a little stranger, as the order of the
> > rounds changed between versions.
> >
> > I've used Dean's site/transcript as my reference when putting this
> > together, which actually means that Sheila starts two rounds in a row. It
> > seems to flow perfectly well, but if someone can suggest an alternate order
> > for everything, I'd be quite happy to re-edit it.
> >

 
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Don JudgeJan 28, 2013
 

 

 
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James R CurryJan 28, 2013
 

 
Dropbox is great -- though for those already using it, a shared JAM folder could seriously eat into our already tight space quotas (shared files take quota from everyone with whom the folder is shared)...

I agree that the misleading "Download" banners on Sendspace and its ilk are most aggravating, though mercifully I've never fallen prey to one.

So, yeah, some sort of closed share for the group would be great.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:

Been there, done that, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

As I have said before, it got me some sh*tty browser toolbar or other, took some effort to eradicate it.

 

I recomend we sign up for Dropbox.

Any of us could then drop a file into the folder on our local PC and everyone gets it as if by magic.

Simples...

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.....O/ O

From: nylon <sirnylon@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 3:59
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Thanks for providing that, but dammit, I hate those download sites that provide 4 download buttons/links and only one of them actually gives you what you want, while the others are trying to trick you into downloading their crap!

Make sure you click the link at the very bottom that says "Download your file from sendspace".  Ignore all of the other big, colourful buttons and links.

On 27 January 2013 23:02, charles_rooke <charles_rooke@...> wrote:

 

Transcription Services - the department of the BBC that was responsible for producing vinyl LP record versions of programmes for distribution to overseas broadcasters (notably Australia, Canada, South Africa, and USA - and, I guess, New Zealand).

I've uploaded my copy of "My Strength" here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dkzdrq

Charlie

--- In mailto:just-a-minute%40..., Josey Smith wrote:
>
> I'm probably being stupid, but what does TS stand for?
>
> Also, I have a copy of the 'Polo' episode, and was wondering if someone
> could point me in the direction of the 'My Strength' copy.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Josey
>
>
>

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Don JudgeJan 28, 2013
 

 

 
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Cymro GwirionJan 28, 2013
 

 

 

I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files rather than as a permanent archive.

The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might forget how it works and delete some files.

That file would then be deleted for everyone.

 

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From: James R Curry <scratchy@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 18:07
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Dropbox is great -- though for those already using it, a shared JAM folder could seriously eat into our already tight space quotas (shared files take quota from everyone with whom the folder is shared)...

I agree that the misleading "Download" banners on Sendspace and its ilk are most aggravating, though mercifully I've never fallen prey to one.

So, yeah, some sort of closed share for the group would be great.

 
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Espen KrømkeJan 28, 2013
 

 

 

I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files rather than as a permanent archive.

The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might forget how it works and delete some files.

That file would then be deleted for everyone.

 

 
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James R CurryJan 28, 2013
 

 
I might get around to putting my own collection up at some point.  Be prepared for badly tagged MP3s with no naming convention outside of having the episode number first...

Like Mark, I'll likely password protect it should that happen.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Espen Krømke <espen.kromke@...> wrote:

In regards to a permanent archive I could put one up if there is a wish for that, but isn't there already one of us sharing his complete collection? I imagine so...?

(I've not forgotten my promise to share my 90s archive, Don. I've just not gotten around to it yet)


Den 28. jan. 2013 20:06, skrev Don Judge:

 

I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files rather than as a permanent archive.

The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might forget how it works and delete some files.

That file would then be deleted for everyone.

 

--
James R Curry

scratchy@...

 
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InnerRevolution7Jan 28, 2013
 

 
My present JAM collection as it currently sits is approx 13 gigs... I'm assuming that is also true for anyone who has been trying to acquire all the upgraded versions they can get their hands on. Mediafire allows you 50 gigs with their free version, which allows way more than enough head room. (In comparison, Dropbox only allows 2 gigs with the free version, so as others have stated, its not a good option for an archive.) The problem with the free version of Mediafire is there is a limitation on bandwidth (the amount you that can be shared/downloaded each month) with the free version. I'm not a good judge on how much bandwidth would be adequate for a group like us to have a shared archive. I think though that bandwidth would be THE issue with ANY free version.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Espen Krømke wrote:
>
> In regards to a permanent archive I could put one up if there is a wish
> for that, but isn't there already one of us sharing his complete
> collection? I imagine so...?
>
> (I've not forgotten my promise to share my 90s archive, Don. I've just
> not gotten around to it yet)
>
>
> Den 28. jan. 2013 20:06, skrev Don Judge:
> > I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files
> > rather than as a permanent archive.
> >
> > The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might
> > forget how it works and delete some files.
> > That file would then be deleted for everyone.
> >
>

 
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nylonJan 28, 2013
 

 

 
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charles_rookeJan 29, 2013
 

 
What we had (before James kindly supplied his "merged" episodes) were two separate and distinct versions - each produced by the BBC from their master recording. BBC UK edited the master in one way - and broadcast that in the UK. BBC TS edited the master differently and issued that to overseasd networks.

"Merging" the two broadcast ep[isodes back together produces a longer episode inclusive of more material than was ever broadcast in one go - but there is no knowing to what extent the "merger" recreates the the full master recording. There will inevitably be some material omitted from both UK and TS versions, and the ordering of rounds may be different from those as actually recorded. We could never have a "complete unedited" version of any episode without access to the original masters.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "mathew" wrote:
>
> In these episodes where we have one topic but not another am i right in saying that we dont have a complete unedited episode? If so is it just those topics missing and therefore if we paste the missing topic back into the best quality one wouldnt we have it all?
>
>

 
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RobertJan 29, 2013
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]On Behalf Of charles_rooke
Sent: 29 January 2013 10:53
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

 

What we had (before James kindly supplied his "merged" episodes) were two separate and distinct versions - each produced by the BBC from their master recording. BBC UK edited the master in one way - and broadcast that in the UK. BBC TS edited the master differently and issued that to overseasd networks.

"Merging" the two broadcast ep[isodes back together produces a longer episode inclusive of more material than was ever broadcast in one go - but there is no knowing to what extent the "merger" recreates the the full master recording. There will inevitably be some material omitted from both UK and TS versions, and the ordering of rounds may be different from those as actually recorded. We could never have a "complete unedited" version of any episode without access to the original masters.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "mathew" wrote:
>
> In these episodes where we have one topic but not another am i right in saying that we dont have a complete unedited episode? If so is it just those topics missing and therefore if we paste the missing topic back into the best quality one wouldnt we have it all?
>
>

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charles_rookeJan 29, 2013
 

 
James - As I'm sure you've realised, the files I posted weren't my edits of anything or indeed "an edit of two versions". In case anyone else is still puzzled - the BBC would have produced two different edits/versions from a single master recording (see my immediately preceding post). By "merging" them you get "all available" rounds in the sense of all rounds that were ever made available for broadcast. But of course there may have been other material/rounds that never made it into either BBC edit but got left on the cutting room floor.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry wrote:
>
> Charles -- am I correct in saying that what you've posted is an edit of
> both versions, with all available rounds included?
>
>
>

 
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Don JudgeJan 29, 2013
 

 

 
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RobertJan 29, 2013
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]On Behalf Of charles_rooke
Sent: 29 January 2013 11:01
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

 

James - As I'm sure you've realised, the files I posted weren't my edits of anything or indeed "an edit of two versions". In case anyone else is still puzzled - the BBC would have produced two different edits/versions from a single master recording (see my immediately preceding post). By "merging" them you get "all available" rounds in the sense of all rounds that were ever made available for broadcast. But of course there may have been other material/rounds that never made it into either BBC edit but got left on the cutting room floor.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry wrote:
>
> Charles -- am I correct in saying that what you've posted is an edit of
> both versions, with all available rounds included?
>
>
>

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RobertJan 29, 2013
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]On Behalf Of Don Judge
Sent: 29 January 2013 11:02
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

 

If anyone has got Dropbox installed, can they please add the folder to their Dropbox and add a file to it as a test...

Cheers

D.

 

 

From: Cymro Gwirion <cymro.gwirion@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 19:42
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Well I'm a big fan of Dropbox and would very much like to see some experimentation as a sharing platform!

C.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Ion 2013, at 19:06, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:

 

I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files rather than as a permanent archive.

The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might forget how it works and delete some files.

That file would then be deleted for everyone.

 

From: James R Curry <scratchy@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 18:07
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Dropbox is great -- though for those already using it, a shared JAM folder could seriously eat into our already tight space quotas (shared files take quota from everyone with whom the folder is shared)...

I agree that the misleading "Download" banners on Sendspace and its ilk are most aggravating, though mercifully I've never fallen prey to one.

So, yeah, some sort of closed share for the group would be great.

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PaulJan 29, 2013
 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Don Judge

To: just-a-minute@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

If anyone has got Dropbox installed, can they please add the folder to their Dropbox and add a file to it as a test...

Cheers

D.

 

 

From: Cymro Gwirion <cymro.gwirion@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 19:42
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Well I'm a big fan of Dropbox and would very much like to see some experimentation as a sharing platform!

C.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Ion 2013, at 19:06, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:

 

I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files rather than as a permanent archive.

The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might forget how it works and delete some files.

That file would then be deleted for everyone.

 

From: James R Curry <scratchy@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 18:07
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Dropbox is great -- though for those already using it, a shared JAM folder could seriously eat into our already tight space quotas (shared files take quota from everyone with whom the folder is shared)...

I agree that the misleading "Download" banners on Sendspace and its ilk are most aggravating, though mercifully I've never fallen prey to one.

So, yeah, some sort of closed share for the group would be great.

 
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charles_rookeJan 29, 2013
 

 
Mat - I'm afraid that's exactly what it means. TS episodes were always shorter than the UK broadcast. It means that we're missing 3 to 5 minutes on many episodes. I would think it possible that in many (perhaps most) cases TS may have minimised the amount of work involved by simply taking the UK broadcast and removing a round or two. But as we have seen, this wasn't always the case.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "mathew" wrote:
>

> So out of interest does this mean that all of the 25 or so minute shows we have are incomplete due to TS editing them down?
> The Beeb broadcast of Series 1 Episode 5 for the first time in decades a few months back is certainly longer than the rest from around that period running in at 3 seconds shy of 30 minutes whilst the others are between 25 and 27 minutes long.
>

 
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RobertJan 29, 2013
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: just-a-minute@... [mailto:just-a-minute@...]On Behalf Of Don Judge
Sent: 29 January 2013 11:02
To: just-a-minute@...
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

 

If anyone has got Dropbox installed, can they please add the folder to their Dropbox and add a file to it as a test...

Cheers

D.

 

 

From: Cymro Gwirion <cymro.gwirion@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 19:42
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Well I'm a big fan of Dropbox and would very much like to see some experimentation as a sharing platform!

C.

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Ion 2013, at 19:06, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:

 

I was actually meaning using Dropbox as a means of sharing files rather than as a permanent archive.

The danger of using it as an archive would be that one user might forget how it works and delete some files.

That file would then be deleted for everyone.

 

From: James R Curry <scratchy@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013, 18:07
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: An episode not listed on Dean's Episode Guide

Dropbox is great -- though for those already using it, a shared JAM folder could seriously eat into our already tight space quotas (shared files take quota from everyone with whom the folder is shared)...

I agree that the misleading "Download" banners on Sendspace and its ilk are most aggravating, though mercifully I've never fallen prey to one.

So, yeah, some sort of closed share for the group would be great.

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Josey SmithJan 29, 2013
 

 

 
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charles_rookeJan 29, 2013
 

 
Dean - Thanks. You have a phenomenal memory! But I'm beginning to wish I hadn't asked.

From a quick search it seems there are only two epiosdes with both Aimi and Patrick - #205 and #217. My copies of both are TS versions broadcast by ABC in 2006. I've just downloaded a different (lower bitrate but longer running) version (I assume the UK broadcast - runs 27m08s) of #217 and started to compare with my TS #217 (runs 24m53s).

They both start with "How To Stop Snoring", but (a) the UK version is missing Nicholas' introduction although this is in the TS version, (b) the first round is edited differently (maybe others are as well), (c) the UK version has a round "Mars" [after "Ibsen"] which is not in the TS version, (d) the TS version has a round "Geneva" [before "Ibsen"] which is not in the UK version.

The transcript on your site is not "merged" like those of the other two episodes we've come across; it is the pure UK version (ie. it includes "Mars" but does not include "Geneva"). Moreover, "Geneva" does not appear in your listing of subjects. Which makes me wonder whether this episode is indeed the one you were thinking of?

However, I suspect that this UK version is itself incomplete in that it does not have Nicholas's introduction. In fact the mp3 sounds to me like the opening music + continuity announcer have been spliced on from a different episode. If so, it would have to have been spliced on from #205 if that is indeed the only other episode with Aimi and Patrick.

So James has another complex splicing job to do if he fancies it. Meanwhile, I'm left wondering just how incomplete my own collection is - pretty much the whole of the first 10 series are from ABC broadcasts. Woe is me if I have discarded inferior quality UK broadcast encodes with the same opening rounds without realising they included round(s) not in the TS versions.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Dean" wrote:
>
I have a feeling one of the Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.
>

 
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Josey SmithJan 29, 2013
 

 

 

Dean - Thanks. You have a phenomenal memory! But I'm beginning to wish I hadn't asked.

From a quick search it seems there are only two epiosdes with both Aimi and Patrick - #205 and #217. My copies of both are TS versions broadcast by ABC in 2006. I've just downloaded a different (lower bitrate but longer running) version (I assume the UK broadcast - runs 27m08s) of #217 and started to compare with my TS #217 (runs 24m53s).

They both start with "How To Stop Snoring", but (a) the UK version is missing Nicholas' introduction although this is in the TS version, (b) the first round is edited differently (maybe others are as well), (c) the UK version has a round "Mars" [after "Ibsen"] which is not in the TS version, (d) the TS version has a round "Geneva" [before "Ibsen"] which is not in the UK version.

The transcript on your site is not "merged" like those of the other two episodes we've come across; it is the pure UK version (ie. it includes "Mars" but does not include "Geneva"). Moreover, "Geneva" does not appear in your listing of subjects. Which makes me wonder whether this episode is indeed the one you were thinking of?

However, I suspect that this UK version is itself incomplete in that it does not have Nicholas's introduction. In fact the mp3 sounds to me like the opening music + continuity announcer have been spliced on from a different episode. If so, it would have to have been spliced on from #205 if that is indeed the only other episode with Aimi and Patrick.

So James has another complex splicing job to do if he fancies it. Meanwhile, I'm left wondering just how incomplete my own collection is - pretty much the whole of the first 10 series are from ABC broadcasts. Woe is me if I have discarded inferior quality UK broadcast encodes with the same opening rounds without realising they included round(s) not in the TS versions.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Dean" wrote:
>
I have a feeling one of the Clement-Peter-Aimi-Patrick shows from 75-6 was similar.
>

 
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DeanJan 29, 2013
 

 

 
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Josey SmithJan 29, 2013
 

 

 
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nylonJan 29, 2013
 

 

 
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charles_rookeJan 29, 2013
 

 
James (and anyone else who followed my post #8358 and is interested) - I've produced an "extended" episode #217 by patching the "Mars" round from the lower quality UK version into the TS version (which has the full intro by Nicholas) and uploaded it to http://www.sendspace.com/file/au3xtp . I haven't done a word-for-word comparison to see what other differences there might be between TS and UK versions.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" wrote:
>
> So James has another complex splicing job to do if he fancies it.

 
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James R CurryJan 29, 2013
 

 
Cheers!