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Topic: JAM episode naming, in the light of TS / WS edits

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nylonJan 30, 2013
 
 
Hi all. I'm starting to wonder if I may need to relabel episodes with ALL of the rounds in the name to make it easier to determine if they have had rounds added or removed...  but I don't fancy doing that.

Another option is to use MP3 tags to store round information, but those tags are harder to access and AFAIK impossible to search by...

And does anyone know which versions of recordings they use for CD issues.  Is there such a thing as a "mastercopy" from which TS/WS/normal radio broadcasts etc are adapted? Could a CD release be missing rounds?

--

Mark
mark at nylon dot net

 
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Topic: Re: JAM episode naming, in the light of TS / WS edits

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James R CurryJan 30, 2013
 
 
I would imagine, unfortunately, that we don't have access to the master from which the individual cuts of an episode are created.

My guess is that in cases where the TS includes material not present in the UK broadcast, the original raw studio recording was used to create both versions.  I also assume that recording is a lot longer than 30 minutes.

Might I suggest we include some tags in the filenames to indicate the source.  Something like:

[UK] - Original UK airing
[TS] - Transcription service
[TA] - Transcription service airing that's known to contain additional material not in the BBC version.
[CD] - CD source
[EX] - Extended edition (our own edits)
[EB] - Extended broadcast edition (if the BBC ever air a longer cut for any reason)
[WS] - World Service edition (probably matches the UK edition but useful to keep the source known)
[RR] - BBC rerun that's known to be shorter than the original airing (don't know if any of these exists, but useful to plan for them.
[ED] - Version that's edited for some other reason.  (Edits that don't fit into above categories).

It's a lot of tags, but it should cover all eventualities...

Maybe I'm over-complicating things.  I open it to the group for your thoughts.  :)

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM, nylon <sirnylon@...> wrote:


Hi all. I'm starting to wonder if I may need to relabel episodes with ALL of the rounds in the name to make it easier to determine if they have had rounds added or removed...  but I don't fancy doing that.

Another option is to use MP3 tags to store round information, but those tags are harder to access and AFAIK impossible to search by...

And does anyone know which versions of recordings they use for CD issues.  Is there such a thing as a "mastercopy" from which TS/WS/normal radio broadcasts etc are adapted? Could a CD release be missing rounds?

--

Mark
mark at nylon dot net





--
James R Curry
scratchy@...

 
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Topic: Re: JAM episode naming, in the light of TS / WS edits

Message 3 / 6
nylonJan 30, 2013
 
 
Indeed, I'm mulling over changes to my naming scheme - such as [tags] - to manage episodes. I've started using tags like [fulledit] and plus (+) symbols to indicate add-on rounds. I like your tagname protocol suggestion.

One thing I have started doing is to keep a complete history of ALL of my past, present and future episode edits (including FLAC versions) on my NAS so I can delve back in time and time earlier versions that might suddenly be useful later in the light of missing rounds or repair jobs being required.

It does mean I have 1589 JAM variants so far, but storage is cheap nowadays, and adding a version number at the end of a name is pretty easy to do.

Cheers
Mark




On 31 January 2013 11:05, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:
 

I would imagine, unfortunately, that we don't have access to the master from which the individual cuts of an episode are created.

My guess is that in cases where the TS includes material not present in the UK broadcast, the original raw studio recording was used to create both versions.  I also assume that recording is a lot longer than 30 minutes.

Might I suggest we include some tags in the filenames to indicate the source.  Something like:

[UK] - Original UK airing
[TS] - Transcription service
[TA] - Transcription service airing that's known to contain additional material not in the BBC version.
[CD] - CD source
[EX] - Extended edition (our own edits)
[EB] - Extended broadcast edition (if the BBC ever air a longer cut for any reason)
[WS] - World Service edition (probably matches the UK edition but useful to keep the source known)
[RR] - BBC rerun that's known to be shorter than the original airing (don't know if any of these exists, but useful to plan for them.
[ED] - Version that's edited for some other reason.  (Edits that don't fit into above categories).

It's a lot of tags, but it should cover all eventualities...

Maybe I'm over-complicating things.  I open it to the group for your thoughts.  :)

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:55 PM, nylon <sirnylon@...> wrote:


Hi all. I'm starting to wonder if I may need to relabel episodes with ALL of the rounds in the name to make it easier to determine if they have had rounds added or removed...  but I don't fancy doing that.

Another option is to use MP3 tags to store round information, but those tags are harder to access and AFAIK impossible to search by...

And does anyone know which versions of recordings they use for CD issues.  Is there such a thing as a "mastercopy" from which TS/WS/normal radio broadcasts etc are adapted? Could a CD release be missing rounds?

--

Mark
mark at nylon dot net





--
James R Curry




--

Mark
mark at nylon dot net

 
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Topic: Re: JAM episode naming, in the light of TS / WS edits

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charles_rookeJan 31, 2013
 
 
Mark - Based on my review of the "Just a Classic Minute" and "Classic CF, DN etc" CD episodes it appears to me that they generally use the UK broadcast version where they have it, failing that the TS (perhaps "recovered" from ABC RN ?) version.

However, I've noticed that the CDs appear to include 3 episodes which are 3 or 4 minutes shorter than their BBC7 broadcasts! I assume the BBC7 versions to be the UK original broadcasts and the CD versions to be different edits - but whether they are TS versions or simply censored for PC I don't know since I haven't yet found the time to compare them.

Charlie


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> And does anyone know which versions of recordings they use for CD issues.
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Topic: Re: JAM episode naming, in the light of TS / WS edits

Message 5 / 6
nylonJan 31, 2013
 
 
Thanks, Charles. So they don't have a secret stash of mastertapes that they use for CDs... 

I was hoping they might have a stash of authoritative first-generation recordings lurking in the basement.  O well.

Mark


On 31 January 2013 22:16, charles_rooke <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
 

Mark - Based on my review of the "Just a Classic Minute" and "Classic CF, DN etc" CD episodes it appears to me that they generally use the UK broadcast version where they have it, failing that the TS (perhaps "recovered" from ABC RN ?) version.

However, I've noticed that the CDs appear to include 3 episodes which are 3 or 4 minutes shorter than their BBC7 broadcasts! I assume the BBC7 versions to be the UK original broadcasts and the CD versions to be different edits - but whether they are TS versions or simply censored for PC I don't know since I haven't yet found the time to compare them.

Charlie

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> And does anyone know which versions of recordings they use for CD issues.
>




--

Mark
mark at nylon dot net

 
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Topic: Re: JAM episode naming, in the light of TS / WS edits

Message 6 / 6
Simon B KellyJan 31, 2013
 
 
BBC Broadcasting House was refurbished in 2006 and ever since has been a "tapeless" environment. All shows are recorded and broadcast as digital files. Probably the only things lurking in the basement are racks of servers! Any mastertapes will most likely have been given to the British Library or junked by now...

Simon


--- In just-a-minute@..., nylon wrote:
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> Thanks, Charles. So they don't have a secret stash of mastertapes that they use for CDs...
>
> I was hoping they might have a stash of authoritative first-generation recordings lurking in the basement. O well.
>
> Mark

 
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