Yes, I agree with you both.. it sounds like a ton of work to catalogue and fix so many small edits. I can see salvaging things if an entire round was cut, to make a more complete version... but the amount of work that would go into "undoing" every identifiable small cut they have made would likely drive one to eyebrow-raisingly insane thoughts.
--- In
just-a-minute@..., nylon wrote:
>
> I agree about the loss of joy with worrying about tiny editing differences.
>
> For reference...
> WS version playout was 42 sec.
> My 22.96M Version 2 playout was 26 sec.
>
> No idea yet where the rest of the 2 minute difference in durations lies.
>
>
> On 31
January 2013 14:51, James R Curry wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Similar edits in 450, but the WS version is considerably longer.
> >
> > Cataloguing this many small edits is taking away my will to live. Does
> > anyone else fancy doing it?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM, James R Curry wrote:
> >
> >> I feel like I've been spamming the list, lately.
> >>
> >> 448 is a very, VERY interesting episode.
> >>
> >> The two versions we have, at least the versions I have, are edited in
> >> completely different ways. Both are censored, and both are edited for
> >> time. The World Service version does contain an entire additional round.
> >>
> >> We'll call the version I already have the "domestic" version for the
>
>> purposes of this examination. It's the v2, so it may be an ABC version, in
> >> actuality. (Note: I think it is an ABC TS version, but I've already
> >> written this whole email and I'm not editing it now..)
> >>
> >> Pauses are removed, laughter is shortened. But it's different pauses and
> >> different laughter depending on which version you listen to. For a while,
> >> one version is ahead, then the other version is.
> >>
> >> The World Service version includes a cut for potential racism. I've not
> >> listened to the context (I'm comparing waveforms in Audacity and zooming in
> >> on sections where things are different), but Clement Freud refers to a
> >> "Pugilist" in this version. In the domestic version, Clement Freud
> >> actually says "Black
pugilist".
> >>
> >> The domestic version includes a cut of the word "Bloody" -- Tony Hawk's
> >> "Because they get a bloody post card, don't they?" becomes "Because they
> >> get a post card, don't they?".
> >>
> >> This dialogue (courtesy of Dean's site):
> >>
> >> PM: This is deviation, taking your family to Saigon in the middle of...
> >> Surely this is dreadful!
> >> DN: It's true!
> >> PM: Is it true? Oh carry on then!
> >> NP: I don't think he'd actually got under way and got to postcards, I
> >> think they were coming up. So yes I give him the benefit of the doubt.
> >> Forty-one seconds, Derek, postcards starting now.
> >>
> >> In the World Service edition, both Paul's "Surely this is dreadful!" and
> >> everything Nicholas says before
"Forty-one seconds" has been chopped.
> >>
> >> Again, in the World Service edition, Derek's "Piles of bricks"
> >> description of the statues from Sarajevo is lost.
> >>
> >> In the domestic version, "God" is cut. "If there is any deviation or
> >> hesitation or repetition that takes place on this particular programme,
> >> then God, does Nicholas Parsons knows." loses that one word.
> >>
> >> The World Service version includes the round "Breaks", absent from the
> >> domestic version.
> >>
> >> The Domestic version announces "So he's the winner, Paul Merton!" while
> >> the World Service version announces "So he's the winner, this week, Paul
> >> Merton!".
> >>
> >> So, yeah. I think I might take the domestic/ABC version, edit in all the
>
>> things that were censored in that edition and the extra round from the
> >> World version, and upload that. Thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM, James R Curry wrote:
> >>
> >>> The World Service edition of #429 is longer.
> >>>
> >>> As Nicholas introduces the first round, he tells Wendy "Take it any way
> >>> you wish and talk on it for 60 seconds if you can...". This line of
> >>> dialogue is missing in the copy I already have.
> >>>
> >>> I assume there are other edits. In this case, I'm taking the World
> >>> Service version. (It's longer by over a minute).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:44 PM, charles_rooke <
> >>> charles_rooke@...>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The important words here are "my collection". Everyone on this board
> >>>> has a collection - but I'd bet money that no two collections are the same.
> >>>> So what is an upgrade of episode #ABC for me may not be an upgrade for you.
> >>>> Conversely, an upgrade of episode #DEF for you may not be an upgrade for
> >>>> me. For me, the preliminary results of the first 26 episodes are:
> >>>>
> >>>> #390 [Have BBC CD version]
> >>>> #393 [Have BBC CD version]
> >>>> #395 [Have BBC CD version]
> >>>> #397 [POSSIBE UPGRADE]
> >>>> #398 [My 32/22/m sounds better]
> >>>> #424 [Have BBC7 128/44/s]
> >>>> #425 [Have 160/44/s - sounds better]
> >>>> #426 [My 32/22/m sounds pretty
much the same]
> >>>> #427 [Have ABC 2009 capture - same length and sounds better]
> >>>> #428 [Have 160/44/s - sounds better]
> >>>> #429 [POSSIBLY LONGER]
> >>>> #430 [Have BBC7 128/44/s]
> >>>> #431 [Have R4X 128/44/s]
> >>>> #432 [My 32/22/m sounds pretty much the same]
> >>>> #433 [Have 128/44/s - sounds better]
> >>>> #435 [Have 160/44/s - sounds better]
> >>>> #437 [Have 64/44/m - sounds better]
> >>>> #439 [My 32/22/m sounds pretty much the same]
> >>>> #440 [Have 128/44/s - sounds better]
> >>>> #441 [Have BBC7 128/44/s]
> >>>> #442 [POSSIBLE UPGRADE]
> >>>> #444 [Have ABC 2009 capture - same length and sounds better]
> >>>> #446 [Have BBC7 128/44/s]
> >>>> #448
[POSSIBLY LONGER]
> >>>> #449 [Have 128/44/s - sounds better]
> >>>> #450 [POSSIBLY LONGER]
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In
just-a-minute@..., "InnerRevolution7" wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm finding some that are not upgrades to my collection, but I must
> >>>> say that I have found a good bit more than two that I prefer. For my ear,
> >>>> my criteria is if they sound more clear or if they are more muffled. I've
> >>>> found a good number that have greater clarity than what I currently had in
> >>>> my
collection.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> James R Curry
> >>> scratchy@...
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> James R Curry
> >> scratchy@...
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > James R Curry
> > scratchy@...
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> >
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