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<<<< 9090
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
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DeanJun 15, 2013
I have a feeling that it was easier to make jokes about Nicholas and his
age and so on when those joking were roughly the same age. Now that most of the
panellists are half Nick’s age or younger, I think joking about his age would
just seem really tasteless. After all many people – perhaps even most people -
of Nick’s age – 89 – are suffering from dementia and similar ailments. Nicholas
is still clearly mentally agile.
I’m always slightly surprised when people say they think he is slowing down
or his voice is going. I’m amazed how little his voice had changed over the
years. In his last few years Peter Jones really did sound like an old man and
Clement’s voice also aged. I think Nicholas still sounds 20 to 30 years younger,
it’s still a clear and high quality voice.
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Will JAM continue
Clement was a funny old player. While he was desperate to win, he
seemed to spend half his time trying to subvert the rules with tricky ploys for
his own devious amusement.
And I think some spark left the game when DN, CF and KW - all
contemporaries of Nic - felt comfortable lambasting, browbeating and ridiculing
him.
Today, only Paul takes the mickey out of Nic - and even then only with
obvious affection.
<<<< 9091
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
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DeanJun 15, 2013
Tony said-
It's interesting that you mention Paul. I've noticed that he seems to
be
losing his spark. I've been listening to JAM series 58 and he seems
much
sharper and more interested. If you listen to series 66 episode 3 with
the
three full minutes, you can hear that someone could have challenged on
at
least two of them. To me, it sounded like it wasn't worth the bother
and
the panelists didn't seem that interested. I haven't listened to any
of
series 65, so I can't compare, but I'm interested in what other people
think
of the 2013 shows.
Me – I do think Paul was off his game last year. But this year I think he’s
been terrific again. You should try and listen to the season 65 shows – I reckon
it was one of the best series ever.
<<<< 9092
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
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DeanJun 15, 2013
Maybe they could open up a seat to the public! Now that
would be interesting to say the
least.
do you mean just letting someone random, say from the audience, join the
panel?
Me - I guess I’m not the only one who has fantasised about joining the
panel!
Tony said:
In short, I really can't think of who could
replace Nicholas. I don't know
enough about British talent, but I don't think
they would pick a current
player of the game. It would have to be someone who
already has experience
and can be a good straight man without forcing too
much of his personality
on the stars or the game itself. When KW died, there
were still three
regulars plus Paul. There so far has been only one chairman
and I just
don't see them looking too hard for a replacement. Maybe the
chairman of
The Unbelievable Truth could take over, but I don't think so. I
think Paul
would be a very bad choice. Oh well, I guess that means Dean will
have to
take Nicholas' place.
Me – I’d be surprised if Paul wanted to
continue, that the BBC would can it. I’ve thought for a time, that Gyles is
the most likely replacement.
Mind you, I’d love to have a go at
it!
Wayne said:
is the show in a position to remain being
broadcast? Radio and TV being the way it is and driven by numbers does anyone
know how these are stacking up compared to other years.
Me – The general future of radio is an
interesting subject, which I know a bit about as I work in radio. Radio has not
been as badly affected with slumps in audiences as TV and newspapers. There has
been some drop-off for music stations but talk based radio is standing up really
well. Radio Four (the station that broadcasts JAM for those outside the UK) is
actually experiencing rising ratings at the moment with its flagship breakfast
news programme Today recently beating the BBC’s lighter format breakfast radio
programme on Radio Two for the first time. I think radio is surviving the
internet challenge because it has many of the same advantages as the Internet –
the immediacy, the portability, the interactivity. Over time clearly more people
will be listening to radio on devices that don’t look much like the old radio,
but I think the medium’s future is quite bright. On JAM specifically, the
ratings I haven’t been able to find, but I read a few years ago that JAM and
Clue are the top raters of BBC comedy shows – I think Clue was slightly ahead.
And the BBC’s major celebrations last year for the 45th anniversary suggest they
rate JAM as an important show. I think the recent appointment of Katie Tyrrell,
one of BBC Radio’s best and most experienced comedy producers, is also a good
sign for the show’s future.
<<<< 9093
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
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DeanJun 15, 2013
Anyway,
I would be very much interested in what people think of the series
now
compared to previous years and how they think it has changed over the
years
other than the obvious. In other words, I'm wondering what subtle
changes
have happened.
Me
– I find this a really fascinating subject, and anyone who listens to Espen’s
stream where you hear old shows followed by new ones must think a bit about how
the show has changed. Nicholas often suggests that subtle changes in how he
interprets deviation have been instrumental, but I’m actually struck when I
listen how little Nicholas seems to have changed the way he does his job. He was
always a showman and interested in the show rather than the contest.
I
think the key changes have been the personnel ones. Peter Jones’s arrival in
1971 was a turning point. For the previous three years the show was largely a
battle of quick wit and word agility between Kenneth, Derek and Clement. Peter
poked fun at the show, the rules, the contest elements in a way that I think
proved to be crucial to the show’s development. Had JAM stayed primarily a
word game without the comedy elements taking centre stage, I don’t think the
show would have lasted as long as it has. The second major turning point was
clearly Paul’s arrival. Paul’s background was in improvised comedy and the
making up of stories and scenarioes on the spot. Now everyone plays the game
Paul’s way. It’s possible I think that Clement’s death may prove to be a turning
point too, though it may still be too soon to say.
What’s
changed? I think the major difference is that in the old days, part of the game
was to talk about the subject. If the subject was say Stanley Baldwin, the
panellists tried to talk about him, in an interesting way if not always a comic
way. Much of the humour actually came from the banter over challenges rather
than what was being said on the subjects. These days, the panellists wouldn’t
even try to be informative on a straight subject like that. You’ve got to have a
laugh line within 10 seconds or Paul will buzz in on you. In 2010 when John
Sergeant was on the panel he was an example of what I am saying. He was actually
quite good at the mechanics of staying on subject without hesitating or
repeating. But he didn’t have many punchlines so he was mercilessly attacked by
the other panellists. In the old days John Sergeant’s word skill and knowledge
would probably have seen him coming back regularly as a guest
I’m
interested when people say they miss Clement because I reckon a Clement like
personality would have no chance of becoming a regular on the show these days.
I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty professional grump in today’s
show biz world. The best I can think of is Simon Cowell! Would he be likely to
be invited on to JAM these days – and would he fit in if he was?
<<<< 9094
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
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Don JudgeJun 15, 2013
> Maybe they could open up a seat to the public
I think that would be risky to be honest, the cost of negating the risk would take a lot of money and effort.
Has anyone
here tried playing JAM?
We tried it a few times as a family and it was incredibly difficult.
That was without the added pressures of an audience, radio recording, other experienced team members.
Even some of
the present guests fail miserably and that's when they're used to public speaking and entertaining etc.
Mind you, as with Britain's Got Talent and the like, there may well be some closet JAM experts lurking out there - they might just take some finding.
--
Cheers
Don __o
\<,
.....O/ O
From: Dean <dbedford@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013, 5:58
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Will JAM continue
Maybe they could open up a seat to the public! Now that
would be interesting to say the
least.
do you mean just letting someone random, say from the audience, join the
panel?
Me - I guess I’m not the only one who has fantasised about joining the
panel!
Tony said:
In short, I really can't think of who could
replace Nicholas. I don't know
enough about British talent, but I don't think
they would pick a current
player of the game. It would have to be someone who
already has experience
and can be a good straight man without forcing too
much of his personality
on the stars or the game itself. When KW died, there
were still three
regulars plus Paul. There so far has been only one chairman
and I just
don't see them looking too hard for a replacement. Maybe the
chairman of
The Unbelievable Truth could take over, but I don't think so. I
think Paul
would be a very bad choice. Oh well, I guess that means Dean will
have to
take Nicholas' place.
Me – I’d be surprised if Paul wanted to
continue, that the BBC would can it. I’ve thought for a time, that Gyles is
the most likely replacement.
Mind you, I’d love to have a go at
it!
Wayne said:
is the show in a position to remain being
broadcast? Radio and TV being the way it is and driven by numbers does anyone
know how these are stacking up compared to other years.
Me – The general future of radio is an
interesting subject, which I know a bit about as I work in radio. Radio has not
been as badly affected with slumps in audiences as TV and newspapers. There has
been some drop-off for music stations but talk based radio is standing up really
well. Radio Four (the station that broadcasts JAM for those outside the UK) is
actually experiencing rising ratings at the moment with its flagship breakfast
news programme Today recently beating the BBC’s lighter format breakfast radio
programme on Radio Two for the first time. I think radio is surviving the
internet challenge because it has many of the same advantages as the Internet –
the immediacy, the portability, the interactivity. Over time clearly more people
will be listening to radio on devices that don’t look much like the old radio,
but I think the medium’s future is quite bright. On JAM specifically, the
ratings I haven’t been able to find, but I read a few years ago that JAM and
Clue are the top raters of BBC comedy shows – I think Clue was slightly ahead.
And the BBC’s major celebrations last year for the 45th anniversary suggest they
rate JAM as an important show. I think the recent appointment of Katie Tyrrell,
one of BBC Radio’s best and most experienced comedy producers, is also a good
sign for the show’s future.
<<<< 9095
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 6 / 30
Wayne StylesJun 16, 2013
Grumpy-Jack Dee-
Sent from my iPhone
Anyway,
I would be very much interested in what people think of the series
now
compared to previous years and how they think it has changed over the
years
other than the obvious. In other words, I'm wondering what subtle
changes
have happened.
Me
– I find this a really fascinating subject, and anyone who listens to Espen’s
stream where you hear old shows followed by new ones must think a bit about how
the show has changed. Nicholas often suggests that subtle changes in how he
interprets deviation have been instrumental, but I’m actually struck when I
listen how little Nicholas seems to have changed the way he does his job. He was
always a showman and interested in the show rather than the contest.
I
think the key changes have been the personnel ones. Peter Jones’s arrival in
1971 was a turning point. For the previous three years the show was largely a
battle of quick wit and word agility between Kenneth, Derek and Clement. Peter
poked fun at the show, the rules, the contest elements in a way that I think
proved to be crucial to the show’s development. Had JAM stayed primarily a
word game without the comedy elements taking centre stage, I don’t think the
show would have lasted as long as it has. The second major turning point was
clearly Paul’s arrival. Paul’s background was in improvised comedy and the
making up of stories and scenarioes on the spot. Now everyone plays the game
Paul’s way. It’s possible I think that Clement’s death may prove to be a turning
point too, though it may still be too soon to say.
What’s
changed? I think the major difference is that in the old days, part of the game
was to talk about the subject. If the subject was say Stanley Baldwin, the
panellists tried to talk about him, in an interesting way if not always a comic
way. Much of the humour actually came from the banter over challenges rather
than what was being said on the subjects. These days, the panellists wouldn’t
even try to be informative on a straight subject like that. You’ve got to have a
laugh line within 10 seconds or Paul will buzz in on you. In 2010 when John
Sergeant was on the panel he was an example of what I am saying. He was actually
quite good at the mechanics of staying on subject without hesitating or
repeating. But he didn’t have many punchlines so he was mercilessly attacked by
the other panellists. In the old days John Sergeant’s word skill and knowledge
would probably have seen him coming back regularly as a guest
I’m
interested when people say they miss Clement because I reckon a Clement like
personality would have no chance of becoming a regular on the show these days.
I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty professional grump in today’s
show biz world. The best I can think of is Simon Cowell! Would he be likely to
be invited on to JAM these days – and would he fit in if he was?
<<<< 9096
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 7 / 30
TroubleshooterJun 16, 2013
Personally I'd like to see Nic continue for as long as he wants to, and I have to think he wants to do so until the 50th year of the series as long as his health allows it. Paul holds the show together, even when he's having an off day. Amazingly Gyles keeps coming more and more into his own and given the number of shows he has appeared in in recent series I'd say he will be happy to continue being an anchor.
I realize that most of the more popular players have bigger career priorities than JAM, and that Graham, Sue and many of the others are not always available for recordings. Having said that, I do feel there are enough very good players at this time to limit the number of new players to only one per recording, and frankly I enjoy listening more when all four players are well known(in the JAM rotation)to me. I know Nic wants to always have a different lineup for every recording date, but that doesn't always translate to a good show - and unfortunately two good shows as they record two at a time. There have been several very good players missing from the 2013 lineup, players who should have been in the 2013 lineup rather than newcomers or players who have few shows under their belt. Many players have grown on me because of their frequency playing the game and getting ever better at it. If it is necessary to change recording dates around in order to accommodate the better known players to appear I think they should do so, rather than making do with who is available on the recording date. For me solid players are what makes JAM so enormously enjoyable, not listening to newbies struggling to last 20 seconds and not even amusing in their attempt to do so.
These are just my thoughts of course, and I'll keep listening regardless for as long as the show continues.
Louis
<<<< 9097
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
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MarkJun 16, 2013
Agree. The average man/woman off the street would sit there like an ossified lump, jaw open, just listening.
And if one did speak, it would probably destroy the flow of the game. Imagine throwing a random audience member into the Folies Begeres Can-Can sequence...
<<<< 9099
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 9 / 30
Tony BaechlerJun 16, 2013
Yes, you sum up my feelings perfectly. When I first heard the series, it
was with at least two of the original players. I don't remember what show
it was, but I'll guess it was from 1976 or 1977. I know it had Peter Jones
on it because I was looking for him specifically at the time. I don't
recall hearing KW or DN until much later in my listening. I'm almost
positive it had CF as well. I remember noting at the time how similar PJ
and CF sounded.
When I first heard the show, I didn't know it was a comedy. I really
thought it was supposed to be a serious show with some comic moments. Now,
the show is done just for laughs and no one even tries to be serious. I've
noticed that the BBC doesn't even ask non-comedians on the show as guests
anymore. I've also noticed that Paul will buzz in for no reason at all and
sometimes I wonder if it's just so the person speaking doesn't get a full
minute. It certainly doesn't seem to be about the points anymore. In the
earlier days, CF obviously cared very much about winning, but in his later
years, I don't think he did. I think he felt out of place and didn't really
choose to participate anymore due to the subtle changes.
I don't think Giles would be a good choice as chairman for a few reasons.
First, I think he's much too serious about playing the game and I don't
think he could be objective enough. Secondly, he's also not that young and
I think they would want someone around Paul's age. Finally, I just don't
think he would be a good choice due to his personality. They had a show
called Wordaholics with him as chairman. While he did OK, I think they
could've done better and I wouldn't say he was great. Remember that the
chairman gets very few laughs for himself and has to put up with the jokes
aimed at him by the panel. I don't think a lot of comedians could let
themselves go that much. Interestingly, I think of the regular players, CF
was the most fair chairman on the few shows where they had him doing it
instead of Nicholas.
On 6/15/2013 10:29 PM, Dean wrote:
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tony Baechler <mailto:tony.baechler@...>
> Anyway, I would be very much interested in what people think of the series
> now compared to previous years and how they think it has changed over the
> years other than the obvious. In other words, I'm wondering what subtle
> changes have happened.
>
>
> Me – I find this a really fascinating subject, and anyone who listens to
> Espen’s stream where you hear old shows followed by new ones must think a
> bit about how the show has changed. Nicholas often suggests that subtle
> changes in how he interprets deviation have been instrumental, but I’m
> actually struck when I listen how little Nicholas seems to have changed the
> way he does his job. He was always a showman and interested in the show
> rather than the contest.
>
> I think the key changes have been the personnel ones. Peter Jones’s arrival
> in 1971 was a turning point. For the previous three years the show was
> largely a battle of quick wit and word agility between Kenneth, Derek and
> Clement. Peter poked fun at the show, the rules, the contest elements in a
> way that I think proved to be crucial to the show’s development. Had JAM
> stayed primarily a word game without the comedy elements taking centre
> stage, I don’t think the show would have lasted as long as it has. The
> second major turning point was clearly Paul’s arrival. Paul’s background was
> in improvised comedy and the making up of stories and scenarioes on the
> spot. Now everyone plays the game Paul’s way. It’s possible I think that
> Clement’s death may prove to be a turning point too, though it may still be
> too soon to say.
>
> What’s changed? I think the major difference is that in the old days, part
> of the game was to talk about the subject. If the subject was say Stanley
> Baldwin, the panellists tried to talk about him, in an interesting way if
> not always a comic way. Much of the humour actually came from the banter
> over challenges rather than what was being said on the subjects. These days,
> the panellists wouldn’t even try to be informative on a straight subject
> like that. You’ve got to have a laugh line within 10 seconds or Paul will
> buzz in on you. In 2010 when John Sergeant was on the panel he was an
> example of what I am saying. He was actually quite good at the mechanics of
> staying on subject without hesitating or repeating. But he didn’t have many
> punchlines so he was mercilessly attacked by the other panellists. In the
> old days John Sergeant’s word skill and knowledge would probably have seen
> him coming back regularly as a guest
>
> I’m interested when people say they miss Clement because I reckon a Clement
> like personality would have no chance of becoming a regular on the show
> these days. I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty professional
> grump in today’s show biz world. The best I can think of is Simon Cowell!
> Would he be likely to be invited on to JAM these days – and would he fit in
> if he was?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
<<<< 9100
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 10 / 30
Tony BaechlerJun 16, 2013
Interesting that you mention wanting regular players. If you look at the
series up to around 1986, you'll see that many of the series ran 26 episodes
with mostly the four regulars. Even when there was a guest, they still kept
at least two or three of the regulars. Eventually there were more guests
and the regulars didn't appear as often. Now the only guaranteed regular is
Paul.
Since you mentioned Gyles, I had a realization thanks to Dean's site. Even
though Paul is now a regular and has more appearances than the other players
nowadays, Gyles is actually a much longer player, going back to the
originals. It's no wonder to me that he's so good at the game because he
has had a lot of experience. I think in terms of challenges and
personality, he is closest to CF but without being as grumpy. He likes the
arbitrary challenge though, like repitition of "you" and pushing the rules
of the game. I think that similar to CF, his goal is to win and outsmart
the rest of the players. I also think that's exactly why he wouldn't make a
good replacement for Nicholas.
On 6/16/2013 4:28 PM, Troubleshooter wrote:
> Personally I'd like to see Nic continue for as long as he wants to, and I have to think he wants to do so until the 50th year of the series as long as his health allows it. Paul holds the show together, even when he's having an off day. Amazingly Gyles keeps coming more and more into his own and given the number of shows he has appeared in in recent series I'd say he will be happy to continue being an anchor.
>
> I realize that most of the more popular players have bigger career priorities than JAM, and that Graham, Sue and many of the others are not always available for recordings. Having said that, I do feel there are enough very good players at this time to limit the number of new players to only one per recording, and frankly I enjoy listening more when all four players are well known(in the JAM rotation)to me. I know Nic wants to always have a different lineup for every recording date, but that doesn't always translate to a good show - and unfortunately two good shows as they record two at a time. There have been several very good players missing from the 2013 lineup, players who should have been in the 2013 lineup rather than newcomers or players who have few shows under their belt. Many players have grown on me because of their frequency playing the game and getting ever better at it. If it is necessary to change recording dates around in order to accommodate the better known player
s to appear I think they should do so, rather than making do with who is available on the recording date. For me solid players are what makes JAM so enormously enjoyable, not listening to newbies struggling to last 20 seconds and not even amusing in their attempt to do so.
>
> These are just my thoughts of course, and I'll keep listening regardless for as long as the show continues.
>
>
> Louis
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> .
>
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Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...
<<<< 9101
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 11 / 30
kj.naughtonJun 17, 2013
Hi folks,
I don't think that's entirely fair. There are some established players who appeared recently who aren't comedians, for example Pam Ayres (poet), Sheila (actress) and Charles (actor), Kit (musician), plus Gyles and Liza aren't really comedians either.
It's also the case that the BBC has tried to get non-comedians involved but many of the recent ones have been eminently forgettable. I give you Terry Wogan, John Sergeant and Hugh Bonneville. The recent non-comedians who I've enjoyed include Rick Wakeman (who was excellent at the show) and Fi Glover.
I do agree, though, that the emphasis of the show has changed to be played mostly for laughs. I'm one of those who vastly prefers this to the older fact-based format. Indeed it's probably true to say that I dislike the old shows with Peter being the only spark of life in what, to me, is a half-hour of preachiness (if there's such a word) interspersed with Kennethisms - which I also dislike.
It may be that the format now makes it much more likely that comedians will be good players so those are the people the BBC book. As others have pointed out, the current format actually works against people like John Sergeant, which is sad. However it's better to have a good show of comedians than a dull show of others.
IMHO, of course.
Cheers
kJ
--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> I've noticed that the BBC doesn't even ask non-comedians on
> the show as guests anymore.
<<<< 9102
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 12 / 30
MarkJun 16, 2013
On 16 June 2013 15:29, Dean
<dbedford@...> wrote:
I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty professional grump in today’s show biz world.
<<<< 9103
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 13 / 30
Don JudgeJun 17, 2013
Referring back to a couple of recent posts on this list
Listening to JAM last week I realised that Nicholas' voice does NOT sound anywhere near his 90 years.
It is only when you compare an early episode to a recent one back to back that you realise that his voice HAS aged somewhat but nowhere near by the 40 or so years that have passed in between.
DJ
From: nylon <sirnylon@...>
To:
"just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2013, 3:18
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Will JAM continue
With absolutely no statistics to support the notion, I have the feeling that JAM audiences have a significant young person component.
It may be that Nic - like Humph in his later days - is developing a cult gang of Silver Fox Fanciers.
And as with 'Clue', I'm sure the BBC will want to give a post-Nic version of the show at least a fighting chance to succeed: for the income, if nothing else.
<<<< 9104
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 14 / 30
Espen KrømkeJun 17, 2013
Den 17. juni 2013 02:37, skrev Mark:
I've always rooted for Tony ever since we first started these
discussions. I think he would be a really good chairman too.
Tony as the new chairman and Graham as regular along with Paul.
That'd take JAM over the hurdle.
<<<< 9107
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 15 / 30
TroubleshooterJun 17, 2013
I'm not against the idea of having Tony give it a go when Nicolas passes the torch. One reason that immediately comes to mind would be the fact that Paul, Graham, Sue and Gyles would be comfortable with razzing Tony very quickly, perhaps (probably?) even immediately, and Tony has a sly wit that would allow for him to sometimes fire back while at other times allow for humility. He's a very gracious player and while I think it would be an unfortunate loss for the panel, he doesn't seem to be on the panel as much as in past years.
As I said before, I'm not against bring in new players as it must be done in order for the game to carry on, but one per show would suffice with three JAM familiars. Also, if Paul is absent from a recording I think the smartest thing they could do is NOT use that recording date for new players - for example, a team such as Graham, Sue, Tony and Gyles would make for great listening when Paul is unavailable. There are several long standing players you could rotate into that foursome if need be, names like Julian, Jenny, Sheila, Ross, Liza, Charles, Kit, or Pam; there are enough great players to make up some funny solid panels when Paul can't make the date. In my opinion there is only one first banana and that's Paul. I'm a big fan of many established players but none of them are as consistently aggressive in a comedic way as Paul. I'd like to not feel that way in all honesty, but I've heard many shows with Paul absent over the years and it takes a rock solid panel to make up for his loss.
When Clement was still around I think it was a bit easier to make up for Paul not being on the panel from time to time, but of late it simply hasn't worked well. The more I listen to shows that included Linda Smith the more I miss her as a player, and I think the game does as well. I also agree with some of the comments made by others in reference to non-comedians - I love listening to Sheila, Pam, Kit and Charles and I also thought that Rick Wakeman came across as both a funny, engaging guy and a good player.
--- In just-a-minute@..., Espen Krømke <espen.kromke@...> wrote:
>
> Den 17. juni 2013 02:37, skrev Mark:
> >
> > A hosting choice that leaps to mind is Tony Hawks - he's smooth and
> > gentle, like Nic, a little sensitive, and has a great voice for radio.
>
> I've always rooted for Tony ever since we first started these
> discussions. I think he would be a really good chairman too.
>
> Tony as the new chairman and Graham as regular along with Paul. That'd
> take JAM over the hurdle.
>
<<<< 9108
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Message 16 / 30
Espen KrømkeJun 18, 2013
Indeed he is gracious - he's very
"oldschool" that way, and thus he would carry on in Nics spirit.
Plus, I honestly think he would be a better chairman than
panellist. He just fits better to keep a lower profile and just
pulling the strings while the others fight over the limelight.
Yup. Tony Hawks is the man for the job!
Den 18. juni 2013 07:56, skrev Troubleshooter:
I'm not against the idea of having Tony give it a go when
Nicolas passes the torch. One reason that immediately
comes to mind would be the fact that Paul, Graham, Sue and
Gyles would be comfortable with razzing Tony very quickly,
perhaps (probably?) even immediately, and Tony has a sly
wit that would allow for him to sometimes fire back while
at other times allow for humility. He's a very gracious
player and while I think it would be an unfortunate loss
for the panel, he doesn't seem to be on the panel as much
as in past years.
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Message 17 / 30
michaelJun 18, 2013
Hi all..first time poster..yawn..i heard that, pardon...firstly may i say a big THANK YOU to you all, hey just for being alive and sharing my love for " Just a Minute." btw i hate JAM love Just a Minute..bet i'm not the only abbreviation hater...anywhooo
I think I have a very good candidate for the chairmanship..dear Steven Fry ...
i ty.
--- In just-a-minute@..., Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:
>
> Agree. The average man/woman off the street would sit there like an
> ossified lump, jaw open, just listening.
> And if one did speak, it would probably destroy the flow of the game.
> Imagine throwing a random audience member into the Folies Begeres Can-Can
> sequence...
>
>
> On 16 June 2013 16:40, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > > Maybe they could open up a seat to the public
> > I think that would be risky to be honest, the cost of negating the risk
> > would take a lot of money and effort.
> >
> > Has anyone here tried playing JAM?
> > We tried it a few times as a family and it was incredibly difficult.
> > That was without the added pressures of an audience, radio recording,
> > other experienced team members.
> >
> > Even some of the present guests fail miserably and that's when they're
> > used to public speaking and entertaining etc.
> >
> > Mind you, as with Britain's Got Talent and the like, there may well be
> > some closet JAM experts lurking out there - they might just take some
> > finding.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> >
> > Don __o
> > \<,
> > .....O/ O
> >
> >
> > --
> Mark
> JAM Jar - http://jamjar.nylon.net <http://nylon.net/up> - see the JAM forum
> for login credentials
> JAM forum - http://b9fx.com
>
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Message 18 / 30
MarkJun 18, 2013
I especially remember Tony in #684 ('Ruby Anniversary') when Nic decided to bend the rules just a bit. To quote from Dean's transcript:
NP: So let me give you the final situation. Janey Godley who we love having on the show and does so well, but she did finish in fourth place. But Kit Hesketh-Harvey, who always does well, contributes magnificently, a brilliant third place. Gyles Brandreth, who always is great value in the show, in an amazing second place. But he was only one point behind Tony Hawks so wouldn't it be fairer to say that Gyles and Tony are our joint winners this week? Yes! So it only remains for me to say thank you to these four delightful players of the game, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth, Janey Godley and Kit Hesketh-Harvey. I also thank Trudi Stevens, who has blown her whistle so well and also...
TH: Are you taking some sort of betting bung on this then?
NP: In what sense?
TH: Well the person who is one point ahead at the end doesn't actually win?
NP: Tony you got your applause for that extra point you got. No I just thought as we, I mean we are competitive, but at the same time we're generous.
TH: Yes but a lot of people are betting on this game round the world.
NP: All right, let's have a round of applause for Tony Hawks because he got one point more than Gyles! Justice is done so we carry on with the wind-up....
Tony's (rightful) sensitivity to Nic's arbitrary ruling, and his clever retort at a time during which I imagine he was fuming internally, make me consider him a worthy future frontman for the show.
Mark
<<<< 9119
>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 19 / 30
TroubleshooterJun 20, 2013
Is the companion show to this one the one where Gyles talks about he and Tony deciding that they would be joint winners when appearing together, having been deemed joint winners in their last show together? Just curious about that as I listened to that episode a few days ago. Of the current players I can't see anyone who would be as apt a candidate for the position. Tony just seems to have the demeanor for it, and it would be good to have a regular 'taste' of Tony's humor on the show even though he would not be a player.
--- In just-a-minute@..., Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:
>
> I especially remember Tony in #684 ('Ruby Anniversary') when Nic decided to
> bend the rules just a bit. To quote from Dean's transcript:
>
> NP: So let me give you the final situation. Janey Godley who we love having
> on the show and does so well, but she did finish in fourth place. But Kit
> Hesketh-Harvey, who always does well, contributes magnificently, a
> brilliant third place. Gyles Brandreth, who always is great value in the
> show, in an amazing second place. But he was only one point behind Tony
> Hawks so wouldn't it be fairer to say that Gyles and Tony are our joint
> winners this week? Yes! So it only remains for me to say thank you to these
> four delightful players of the game, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth, Janey
> Godley and Kit Hesketh-Harvey. I also thank Trudi Stevens, who has blown
> her whistle so well and also...
> TH: Are you taking some sort of betting bung on this then?
> NP: In what sense?
> TH: Well the person who is one point ahead at the end doesn't actually win?
> NP: Tony you got your applause for that extra point you got. No I just
> thought as we, I mean we are competitive, but at the same time we're
> generous.
> TH: Yes but a lot of people are betting on this game round the world.
> NP: All right, let's have a round of applause for Tony Hawks because he got
> one point more than Gyles! Justice is done so we carry on with the
> wind-up....
>
> Tony's (rightful) sensitivity to Nic's arbitrary ruling, and his clever
> retort at a time during which I imagine he was fuming internally, make me
> consider him a worthy future frontman for the show.
>
> Mark
>
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Message 20 / 30
Don JudgeJun 20, 2013
> NP: [SNIP] Justice is done so we carry on with the wind-up....
Thinks...
Wonder if NP meant that as a double-meaning?
Very clever, quick thinking if he did.
--
Cheers
Don __o
\<,
.....O/ O
From: Mark <sirnylon@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2013, 4:35
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: Will JAM continue
I especially remember Tony in #684 ('Ruby Anniversary') when Nic decided to bend the rules just a bit. To quote from Dean's transcript:
NP: So let me give you the final situation. Janey Godley who we love having on the show and does so well, but she did finish in fourth place. But Kit Hesketh-Harvey, who always does well, contributes magnificently, a brilliant third place. Gyles Brandreth, who always is great value in the show, in an amazing second place. But he was only one point behind Tony Hawks so wouldn't it be fairer to say that Gyles and Tony are our joint winners this week? Yes! So it only remains for me to say thank you to these four delightful players of the game, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth, Janey Godley and Kit Hesketh-Harvey. I also thank Trudi Stevens, who has blown her whistle so well and also...
TH: Are you taking some sort of betting bung on this then?
NP: In what sense?
TH: Well the person who is one point ahead at the end doesn't actually win?
NP: Tony you got your applause for that extra point you got. No I just thought as we, I mean we are competitive, but at the same time we're generous.
TH: Yes but a lot of people are betting on this game round the world.
NP: All right, let's have a round of applause for Tony Hawks because he got one point more than Gyles! Justice is done so we carry on with the wind-up....
Tony's (rightful) sensitivity to Nic's arbitrary ruling, and his clever retort at a time during which I imagine he was fuming internally, make me consider him a worthy future frontman for the show.
Mark
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>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 21 / 30
Wayne StylesJun 20, 2013
Hello Jammers
Well it seems that Tony is leading the way as someone who knows the show, but this is limiting it to the panelists? How about those in show business that have never been on the show. What skills do you think they would need and who would fit the bill?
John Sergeant
Liza Goddard
Lisa Tarbuck
Nigel Havers
John Sessions
All these spring to mind as people who can laugh at themselves without getting upset.
Just a thought
From: Troubleshooter <troubleshooter47421@...>
To: just-a-minute@...
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013, 8:34
Subject: [just-a-minute] Re: Will JAM continue
Is the companion show to this one the one where Gyles talks about he and Tony deciding that they would be joint winners when appearing together, having been deemed joint winners in their last show together? Just curious about that as I listened to that episode a few days ago. Of the current players I can't see anyone who would be as apt a candidate for the position. Tony just seems to have the demeanor for it, and it would be good to have a regular 'taste' of Tony's humor on the show even though he would not be a player.
--- In just-a-minute@..., Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:
>
> I especially remember Tony in #684 ('Ruby Anniversary') when Nic decided to
> bend the rules just a bit. To quote from Dean's transcript:
>
> NP: So let me give you the final situation. Janey Godley who we love having
> on the show and does so well, but she did finish in fourth place. But Kit
> Hesketh-Harvey, who always does well, contributes magnificently, a
> brilliant third place. Gyles Brandreth, who always is great value in the
> show, in an amazing second place. But he was only one point behind Tony
> Hawks so wouldn't it be fairer to say that Gyles and Tony are our joint
> winners this week? Yes! So it only remains for me to say thank you to these
> four delightful players of the game, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth, Janey
> Godley and Kit Hesketh-Harvey. I also thank Trudi Stevens, who has blown
> her whistle so well and also...
> TH: Are you taking some sort of betting bung on this then?
> NP: In what sense?
> TH: Well the person who is one point ahead at the end doesn't actually win?
> NP: Tony you got your applause for that extra point you got. No I just
> thought as we, I mean we are competitive, but at the same time we're
> generous.
> TH: Yes but a lot of people are betting on this game round the world.
> NP: All right, let's have a round of applause for Tony Hawks because he got
> one point more than Gyles! Justice is done so we carry on with the
> wind-up....
>
> Tony's (rightful) sensitivity to Nic's arbitrary ruling, and his clever
> retort at a time during which I imagine he was fuming internally, make me
> consider him a worthy future frontman for the show.
>
> Mark
>
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Message 22 / 30
TroubleshooterJun 20, 2013
Alas, speaking for myself (an American fan) I honestly am woefully unaware of many personalities across the pond who I'm sure would be good candidates, therefore I'm only able to comment on the panelists.Liza has always been great fun on the show. While my vote still goes to Tony, I do think she'd have a good personality for the show. On the other hand, I don't think several of the regular panelists would so freely throw barbs at Liza as chairperson whereas I feel they would at Tony.
Louis
--- In just-a-minute@..., Wayne Styles <wayne.styles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jammers
> Well it seems that Tony is leading the way as someone who knows the show, but this is limiting it to the panelists? How about those in show business that have never been on the show. What skills do you think they would need and who would fit the bill?
>
> John Sergeant
> Liza Goddard
> Lisa Tarbuck
> Nigel Havers
> John Sessions
>
> All these spring to mind as people who can laugh at themselves without getting upset.
> Just a thought
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>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 23 / 30
DeanJun 26, 2013
Jeremy Clarkson would be interesting. I really like that idea. Germaine
Greer is an interesting thought too. Don’t know Bill Nighy.
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Will JAM continue
On 16 June 2013 15:29, Dean
<dbedford@...> wrote:
I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty
professional grump in today’s show biz world.
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Message 24 / 30
James R CurryJun 26, 2013
Clarkson *would* be interesting. Otherwise, another vote for Tony here.
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Message 25 / 30
Jeremy KeensJun 26, 2013
Clarkson would be a terrible overwhelming egotistical chair - you need someone who is willing to take a more back seat
He would have suited the sexist early years
Jeremy
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:09 AM, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:
Clarkson *would* be interesting. Otherwise, another vote for Tony here.
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Message 26 / 30
BethAnneJun 27, 2013
Yeah, I don't know about Clarkson. He is entertaining and he is funny, but his general attitude of sneering at everything just doesn't seem to fit in with the JAM mantra.
Am I the only one who thinks the show should die with Nicholas?
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Message 27 / 30
MarkJun 27, 2013
My suggestion was for Clarkson as a player. I agree he would not be right as chair.
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Message 28 / 30
Julian BishopJun 27, 2013
Probably on this community! It's an interesting perspective though and one which has not been debated here.
I think if Paul decided to retire when Nicholas passed, the show would stop. I'm guessing that Nicholas would want it to continue after he was gone.
Yeah, I don't know about Clarkson. He is entertaining and he is funny, but his general attitude of sneering at everything just doesn't seem to fit in with the JAM mantra.
Am I the only one who thinks the show should die with Nicholas?
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Message 29 / 30
TroubleshooterJun 27, 2013
I'm in agreement. Losing both Nicolas and Paul would be more than I think the show could weather. As has been mentioned before, losing Paul could be enough to cause the show's demise. As Paul has stated, there are simply too many good players out there at the present time to do away with the show should anything happen to Nic. Still and all, without the right chair replacement the show could easily wither and die a quick death. Whoever takes those duties after Nicolas should certainly have their own charm and grace.
Louis
--- In just-a-minute@..., Julian Bishop <julianxbishop@...> wrote:
>
> Probably on this community! It's an interesting perspective though and one which has not been debated here.
>
> I think if Paul decided to retire when Nicholas passed, the show would stop. I'm guessing that Nicholas would want it to continue after he was gone.
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:57 AM, "BethAnne" <jamdeviation@...> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I don't know about Clarkson. He is entertaining and he is funny, but his general attitude of sneering at everything just doesn't seem to fit in with the JAM mantra.
> >
> > Am I the only one who thinks the show should die with Nicholas?
> >
> >
>
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>>>>Topic: Re: Will JAM continue
Message 30 / 30
MarkJun 26, 2013
Bill Nighy always reminds me of Leslie Phillips in a lascivious "helllllllllllllllllllllllllllo" sort of way.
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