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Topic: Re: Will JAM continue

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Tony BaechlerJun 16, 2013
 

 
Interesting that you mention wanting regular players. If you look at the
series up to around 1986, you'll see that many of the series ran 26 episodes
with mostly the four regulars. Even when there was a guest, they still kept
at least two or three of the regulars. Eventually there were more guests
and the regulars didn't appear as often. Now the only guaranteed regular is
Paul.

Since you mentioned Gyles, I had a realization thanks to Dean's site. Even
though Paul is now a regular and has more appearances than the other players
nowadays, Gyles is actually a much longer player, going back to the
originals. It's no wonder to me that he's so good at the game because he
has had a lot of experience. I think in terms of challenges and
personality, he is closest to CF but without being as grumpy. He likes the
arbitrary challenge though, like repitition of "you" and pushing the rules
of the game. I think that similar to CF, his goal is to win and outsmart
the rest of the players. I also think that's exactly why he wouldn't make a
good replacement for Nicholas.

On 6/16/2013 4:28 PM, Troubleshooter wrote:
> Personally I'd like to see Nic continue for as long as he wants to, and I have to think he wants to do so until the 50th year of the series as long as his health allows it. Paul holds the show together, even when he's having an off day. Amazingly Gyles keeps coming more and more into his own and given the number of shows he has appeared in in recent series I'd say he will be happy to continue being an anchor.
>
> I realize that most of the more popular players have bigger career priorities than JAM, and that Graham, Sue and many of the others are not always available for recordings. Having said that, I do feel there are enough very good players at this time to limit the number of new players to only one per recording, and frankly I enjoy listening more when all four players are well known(in the JAM rotation)to me. I know Nic wants to always have a different lineup for every recording date, but that doesn't always translate to a good show - and unfortunately two good shows as they record two at a time. There have been several very good players missing from the 2013 lineup, players who should have been in the 2013 lineup rather than newcomers or players who have few shows under their belt. Many players have grown on me because of their frequency playing the game and getting ever better at it. If it is necessary to change recording dates around in order to accommodate the better known player
s to appear I think they should do so, rather than making do with who is available on the recording date. For me solid players are what makes JAM so enormously enjoyable, not listening to newbies struggling to last 20 seconds and not even amusing in their attempt to do so.
>
> These are just my thoughts of course, and I'll keep listening regardless for as long as the show continues.
>
>
> Louis
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kj.naughtonJun 17, 2013
 

 
Hi folks,

I don't think that's entirely fair. There are some established players who appeared recently who aren't comedians, for example Pam Ayres (poet), Sheila (actress) and Charles (actor), Kit (musician), plus Gyles and Liza aren't really comedians either.

It's also the case that the BBC has tried to get non-comedians involved but many of the recent ones have been eminently forgettable. I give you Terry Wogan, John Sergeant and Hugh Bonneville. The recent non-comedians who I've enjoyed include Rick Wakeman (who was excellent at the show) and Fi Glover.

I do agree, though, that the emphasis of the show has changed to be played mostly for laughs. I'm one of those who vastly prefers this to the older fact-based format. Indeed it's probably true to say that I dislike the old shows with Peter being the only spark of life in what, to me, is a half-hour of preachiness (if there's such a word) interspersed with Kennethisms - which I also dislike.

It may be that the format now makes it much more likely that comedians will be good players so those are the people the BBC book. As others have pointed out, the current format actually works against people like John Sergeant, which is sad. However it's better to have a good show of comedians than a dull show of others.

IMHO, of course.

Cheers

kJ

--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> I've noticed that the BBC doesn't even ask non-comedians on
> the show as guests anymore.

 
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MarkJun 16, 2013
 

 

On 16 June 2013 15:29, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty professional grump in today’s show biz world. 

- Jack Dee - but he's already taken.

- Surprisingly enough, Jeremy Clarkson also leaps to mind.

- What about Bill Nighy... he would be a hoot, and at 63 he's just the right vintage.

- Germaine Greer?  Perhaps too annoying...

A hosting choice that leaps to mind is Tony Hawks - he's smooth and gentle, like Nic, a little sensitive, and has a great voice for radio.

--

Mark

JAM Jar - http://jamjar.nylon.net - see the JAM forum for login credentials

JAM forum - http://b9fx.com

 
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Don JudgeJun 17, 2013
 

 

 
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Espen KrømkeJun 17, 2013
 

 

 

A hosting choice that leaps to mind is Tony Hawks - he's smooth and gentle, like Nic, a little sensitive, and has a great voice for radio.

I've always rooted for Tony ever since we first started these discussions. I think he would be a really good chairman too.

Tony as the new chairman and Graham as regular along with Paul. That'd take JAM over the hurdle.

 
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TroubleshooterJun 17, 2013
 

 
I'm not against the idea of having Tony give it a go when Nicolas passes the torch. One reason that immediately comes to mind would be the fact that Paul, Graham, Sue and Gyles would be comfortable with razzing Tony very quickly, perhaps (probably?) even immediately, and Tony has a sly wit that would allow for him to sometimes fire back while at other times allow for humility. He's a very gracious player and while I think it would be an unfortunate loss for the panel, he doesn't seem to be on the panel as much as in past years.

As I said before, I'm not against bring in new players as it must be done in order for the game to carry on, but one per show would suffice with three JAM familiars. Also, if Paul is absent from a recording I think the smartest thing they could do is NOT use that recording date for new players - for example, a team such as Graham, Sue, Tony and Gyles would make for great listening when Paul is unavailable. There are several long standing players you could rotate into that foursome if need be, names like Julian, Jenny, Sheila, Ross, Liza, Charles, Kit, or Pam; there are enough great players to make up some funny solid panels when Paul can't make the date. In my opinion there is only one first banana and that's Paul. I'm a big fan of many established players but none of them are as consistently aggressive in a comedic way as Paul. I'd like to not feel that way in all honesty, but I've heard many shows with Paul absent over the years and it takes a rock solid panel to make up for his loss.

When Clement was still around I think it was a bit easier to make up for Paul not being on the panel from time to time, but of late it simply hasn't worked well. The more I listen to shows that included Linda Smith the more I miss her as a player, and I think the game does as well. I also agree with some of the comments made by others in reference to non-comedians - I love listening to Sheila, Pam, Kit and Charles and I also thought that Rick Wakeman came across as both a funny, engaging guy and a good player.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Espen Krømke <espen.kromke@...> wrote:
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> Den 17. juni 2013 02:37, skrev Mark:
> >
> > A hosting choice that leaps to mind is Tony Hawks - he's smooth and
> > gentle, like Nic, a little sensitive, and has a great voice for radio.
>
> I've always rooted for Tony ever since we first started these
> discussions. I think he would be a really good chairman too.
>
> Tony as the new chairman and Graham as regular along with Paul. That'd
> take JAM over the hurdle.
>

 
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Espen KrømkeJun 18, 2013
 

 

 

I'm not against the idea of having Tony give it a go when Nicolas passes the torch. One reason that immediately comes to mind would be the fact that Paul, Graham, Sue and Gyles would be comfortable with razzing Tony very quickly, perhaps (probably?) even immediately, and Tony has a sly wit that would allow for him to sometimes fire back while at other times allow for humility. He's a very gracious player and while I think it would be an unfortunate loss for the panel, he doesn't seem to be on the panel as much as in past years.

 
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michaelJun 18, 2013
 

 
Hi all..first time poster..yawn..i heard that, pardon...firstly may i say a big THANK YOU to you all, hey just for being alive and sharing my love for " Just a Minute." btw i hate JAM love Just a Minute..bet i'm not the only abbreviation hater...anywhooo

I think I have a very good candidate for the chairmanship..dear Steven Fry ...

i ty.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:
>
> Agree. The average man/woman off the street would sit there like an
> ossified lump, jaw open, just listening.
> And if one did speak, it would probably destroy the flow of the game.
> Imagine throwing a random audience member into the Folies Begeres Can-Can
> sequence...
>
>
> On 16 June 2013 16:40, Don Judge <don@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > > Maybe they could open up a seat to the public
> > I think that would be risky to be honest, the cost of negating the risk
> > would take a lot of money and effort.
> >
> > Has anyone here tried playing JAM?
> > We tried it a few times as a family and it was incredibly difficult.
> > That was without the added pressures of an audience, radio recording,
> > other experienced team members.
> >
> > Even some of the present guests fail miserably and that's when they're
> > used to public speaking and entertaining etc.
> >
> > Mind you, as with Britain's Got Talent and the like, there may well be
> > some closet JAM experts lurking out there - they might just take some
> > finding.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> >
> > Don __o
> > \<,
> > .....O/ O
> >
> >
> > --
> Mark
> JAM Jar - http://jamjar.nylon.net <http://nylon.net/up> - see the JAM forum
> for login credentials
> JAM forum - http://b9fx.com
>

 
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Topic: Re: Will JAM continue

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MarkJun 18, 2013
 

 

 
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TroubleshooterJun 20, 2013
 

 
Is the companion show to this one the one where Gyles talks about he and Tony deciding that they would be joint winners when appearing together, having been deemed joint winners in their last show together? Just curious about that as I listened to that episode a few days ago. Of the current players I can't see anyone who would be as apt a candidate for the position. Tony just seems to have the demeanor for it, and it would be good to have a regular 'taste' of Tony's humor on the show even though he would not be a player.

--- In just-a-minute@..., Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:
>
> I especially remember Tony in #684 ('Ruby Anniversary') when Nic decided to
> bend the rules just a bit. To quote from Dean's transcript:
>
> NP: So let me give you the final situation. Janey Godley who we love having
> on the show and does so well, but she did finish in fourth place. But Kit
> Hesketh-Harvey, who always does well, contributes magnificently, a
> brilliant third place. Gyles Brandreth, who always is great value in the
> show, in an amazing second place. But he was only one point behind Tony
> Hawks so wouldn't it be fairer to say that Gyles and Tony are our joint
> winners this week? Yes! So it only remains for me to say thank you to these
> four delightful players of the game, Tony Hawks, Gyles Brandreth, Janey
> Godley and Kit Hesketh-Harvey. I also thank Trudi Stevens, who has blown
> her whistle so well and also...
> TH: Are you taking some sort of betting bung on this then?
> NP: In what sense?
> TH: Well the person who is one point ahead at the end doesn't actually win?
> NP: Tony you got your applause for that extra point you got. No I just
> thought as we, I mean we are competitive, but at the same time we're
> generous.
> TH: Yes but a lot of people are betting on this game round the world.
> NP: All right, let's have a round of applause for Tony Hawks because he got
> one point more than Gyles! Justice is done so we carry on with the
> wind-up....
>
> Tony's (rightful) sensitivity to Nic's arbitrary ruling, and his clever
> retort at a time during which I imagine he was fuming internally, make me
> consider him a worthy future frontman for the show.
>
> Mark
>

 
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Don JudgeJun 20, 2013
 

 

> NP: [SNIP] Justice is done so we carry on with the wind-up....

 
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Wayne StylesJun 20, 2013
 

 

 
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TroubleshooterJun 20, 2013
 

 
Alas, speaking for myself (an American fan) I honestly am woefully unaware of many personalities across the pond who I'm sure would be good candidates, therefore I'm only able to comment on the panelists.Liza has always been great fun on the show. While my vote still goes to Tony, I do think she'd have a good personality for the show. On the other hand, I don't think several of the regular panelists would so freely throw barbs at Liza as chairperson whereas I feel they would at Tony.

Louis

--- In just-a-minute@..., Wayne Styles <wayne.styles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jammers
> Well it seems that Tony is leading the way as someone who knows the show, but this is limiting it to the panelists? How about those in show business that have never been on the show. What skills do you think they would need and who would fit the bill?
>  
> John Sergeant
> Liza Goddard
> Lisa Tarbuck
> Nigel Havers
> John Sessions
>  
> All these spring to mind as people who can laugh at themselves without getting upset.
> Just a thought

 
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DeanJun 26, 2013
 

 

 
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James R CurryJun 26, 2013
 

 

 
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Jeremy KeensJun 26, 2013
 

 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:09 AM, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:

 

Clarkson *would* be interesting.  Otherwise, another vote for Tony here.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

Jeremy Clarkson would be interesting. I really like that idea. Germaine Greer is an interesting thought too. Don’t know Bill Nighy.

 

 

 

From: Mark

Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:37 PM

To: just-a-minute@...

Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Will JAM continue

 

 

On 16 June 2013 15:29, Dean <dbedford@...> wrote:

I’m trying to think of a quick-witted and witty professional grump in today’s show biz world.

- Jack Dee - but he's already taken.

- Surprisingly enough, Jeremy Clarkson also leaps to mind.

- What about Bill Nighy... he would be a hoot, and at 63 he's just the right vintage.

- Germaine Greer?  Perhaps too annoying...

--
James R Curry

scratchy@...

 
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BethAnneJun 27, 2013
 

 
Yeah, I don't know about Clarkson. He is entertaining and he is funny, but his general attitude of sneering at everything just doesn't seem to fit in with the JAM mantra.

Am I the only one who thinks the show should die with Nicholas?

 
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MarkJun 27, 2013
 

 

 
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Julian BishopJun 27, 2013
 

 

 

Yeah, I don't know about Clarkson. He is entertaining and he is funny, but his general attitude of sneering at everything just doesn't seem to fit in with the JAM mantra.

Am I the only one who thinks the show should die with Nicholas?

 
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TroubleshooterJun 27, 2013
 

 
I'm in agreement. Losing both Nicolas and Paul would be more than I think the show could weather. As has been mentioned before, losing Paul could be enough to cause the show's demise. As Paul has stated, there are simply too many good players out there at the present time to do away with the show should anything happen to Nic. Still and all, without the right chair replacement the show could easily wither and die a quick death. Whoever takes those duties after Nicolas should certainly have their own charm and grace.

Louis

--- In just-a-minute@..., Julian Bishop <julianxbishop@...> wrote:
>
> Probably on this community! It's an interesting perspective though and one which has not been debated here.
>
> I think if Paul decided to retire when Nicholas passed, the show would stop. I'm guessing that Nicholas would want it to continue after he was gone.
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:57 AM, "BethAnne" <jamdeviation@...> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I don't know about Clarkson. He is entertaining and he is funny, but his general attitude of sneering at everything just doesn't seem to fit in with the JAM mantra.
> >
> > Am I the only one who thinks the show should die with Nicholas?
> >
> >
>

 
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MarkJun 26, 2013