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Topic: Re: Re:The state of play!

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Wayne StylesJul 2, 2013

Hello Mark and All

"We don't share BBC commercial CD releases", well actually we do! All compilations are made up of the individual files we share, so we do play a part in this. However, saying this I can say that the BBC has benefited from the likes of us keeping copies of old and lost radio shows. But, the new technology will eliminate the need to call for lost episodes in the future. The BBC does not have pristine copies of the JAM shows from yesteryear, and I suspect the ones that the fans have worked upon for hours are far better than those in the BBC archives at present. I have no doubt that should they want to clean up the recordings they could, but doubt they would be that much better given the playing of some of the old recordings on R4 Extra.

The late great Bob Monkhouse was an avid collector of all broadcasts and he was prosecuted for copying, yet after he died the BEEB and ITV were the first to grab the "lost" recordings and then make money form it. Bob did not do it as a money making scheme, but as an avid collector. He also had one of the first Video Recorders available to the public and many of his recordings have been used in documentaries in recent years.

As the technology develops it will be more and more difficult for the BEEB or commercial radio/tv to block the digital recording of media and all that this entails. When the DRM kicks in who knows what the restrictions will be. MS Xbox has just backed down on DRM due to a backlash from buyers.

I found JAM by accident last year and I am in my 50s and now I listen to the shows broadcast now and the past golden oldies and I am sure that helps the BBC maintain numbers as people find the forums and news groups. IMHO the BBC should be working with us to develop and move forward JAM for the future, but doubt they will.

Broadcasts are within minutes of finishing made available on torrent sites worldwide and I doubt the BBC or other broadcasters were able to see this technological change happen so quickly nor are they equiped to deal with it. So they chase easy targets ----like us, so as to make a statement that they are proactive, but in reality they can only ever be reactive as in the past.

A long post, but I needed to get it off my chest.

BTW, this is not a fake name or id and the beeb are welcome to gather my details from here or any other place they want.

Hey ho, to quote Kenneth.

From: Mark <sirnylon@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 5:05
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: Dust-biting (continued)

I have no problem at all with paying for BBC products. If the Beeb put all JAM online in pristine condition for a fee, I'd be in there like a shot with my Visa card.

We don't share BBC commercial CD releases, and I don't like feeling sordid for working to recover lost episodes and upgrade poor quality old JAM recordings.

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On 2 July 2013 03:25, Simon B Kelly <simonbkelly@...> wrote:
Boston Business Computing

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Mark
JAM forum - http://b9fx.com

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Topic: Re: Re:The state of play!

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MarkJul 2, 2013

Hi Wayne.

The Beeb must have better quality recordings that we have available to us from our ancient recordings: the ABC's recent broadcasts of the early series confirms that they exist; they just haven't been broadcast since those old days of cassette tapes and mikes-against-transistor-radios.

And we don't support the knowing distribution of BBC CDs. Sure, after a while a collector's rip of a CD episode gets into the wild, but we don't say "Hey. I just got the new JAM CD and ripped it... here it is!"

I do believe Auntie BBC is having hot flushes and saying "My, my!" a lot as these new whippersnapper digital technologies interfere with her petticoats and disturb her ancient dignity. I think she is finding her way, and possibly over-reacting a little in the interim.

Who knows what she has in her strategic plan that is guiding her policies and policing at the moment? If she has a Pay-Per-View Audio Archive coming, I'd be delighted.

But there's always the possibility that she is just knicker-knotted by end-of-financial-year hot flushes, and starting to slap naughty urchins who are stealing apples that are hanging from her tree into the laneway.

I see BBC's perspective. They are accountable to British licence-payers. They have legal rights and deserve to protect them.

But some kind aunties will let a little scrumping go by, if the urchins love the apples and aren't just selling them at the market.

Maybe Auntie BBC is moving away from this benignly-tolerant stance... does she think the urchins are setting her petticoats on fire?

[Don't ask me how this post turned into an episode of 'The Archers'.]

On 3 July 2013 03:34, Wayne Styles <wayne.styles@...> wrote:

Hello Mark and All
"We don't share BBC commercial CD releases", well actually we do! All compilations are made up of the individual files we share, so we do play a part in this. However, saying this I can say that the BBC has benefited from the likes of us keeping copies of old and lost radio shows. But, the new technology will eliminate the need to call for lost episodes in the future. The BBC does not have pristine copies of the JAM shows from yesteryear, and I suspect the ones that the fans have worked upon for hours are far better than those in the BBC archives at present. I have no doubt that should they want to clean up the recordings they could, but doubt they would be that much better given the playing of some of the old recordings on R4 Extra.

The late great Bob Monkhouse was an avid collector of all broadcasts and he was prosecuted for copying, yet after he died the BEEB and ITV were the first to grab the "lost" recordings and then make money form it. Bob did not do it as a money making scheme, but as an avid collector. He also had one of the first Video Recorders available to the public and many of his recordings have been used in documentaries in recent years.

As the technology develops it will be more and more difficult for the BEEB or commercial radio/tv to block the digital recording of media and all that this entails. When the DRM kicks in who knows what the restrictions will be. MS Xbox has just backed down on DRM due to a backlash from buyers.

I found JAM by accident last year and I am in my 50s and now I listen to the shows broadcast now and the past golden oldies and I am sure that helps the BBC maintain numbers as people find the forums and news groups. IMHO the BBC should be working with us to develop and move forward JAM for the future, but doubt they will.

Broadcasts are within minutes of finishing made available on torrent sites worldwide and I doubt the BBC or other broadcasters were able to see this technological change happen so quickly nor are they equiped to deal with it. So they chase easy targets ----like us, so as to make a statement that they are proactive, but in reality they can only ever be reactive as in the past.

A long post, but I needed to get it off my chest.

BTW, this is not a fake name or id and the beeb are welcome to gather my details from here or any other place they want.

Hey ho, to quote Kenneth.

From: Mark <sirnylon@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013, 5:05
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] Re: Dust-biting (continued)

I have no problem at all with paying for BBC products. If the Beeb put all JAM online in pristine condition for a fee, I'd be in there like a shot with my Visa card.

We don't share BBC commercial CD releases, and I don't like feeling sordid for working to recover lost episodes and upgrade poor quality old JAM recordings.

---

On 2 July 2013 03:25, Simon B Kelly <simonbkelly@...> wrote:
Boston Business Computing

--
Mark
JAM forum - http://b9fx.com

--

Mark
Noone from nowhere. Ignore me. Just move on.

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