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Topic: Dust-biting (continued)

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MarkJun 29, 2013
 

 

 
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Don JudgeJun 30, 2013
 

 

 
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MarkJun 30, 2013
 

 

 
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badger danceJul 1, 2013
 

 

I seem to remember suggesting discretion and avoid baiting the BBC when someone choose to bring to the BBC's attention this forum existed and was sharing files. Looks like I was proved correct. Thanks for your contribution in killing the scene! Lesson learnt maybe?

 
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Don JudgeJul 1, 2013
 

 

 
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Simon B KellyJul 1, 2013
 

 
If it is someone from the copyright police at BBC Worldwide, they could always sign up anonymously using a different IP and throwaway email, so there's no way you can guarantee that you're only letting fans into the forum.

As an aside, the domain bbc.com used to belong to Boston Business Computing until 1999 when the British Broadcasting Corporation insisted it be transferred over to them. Nowadays, it just redirects to bbc.co.uk which has always been their main website anyway.

Unusual for them to use an @... email, Mark, as most employees use @...

Simon

--- In just-a-minute@..., Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:
>
> Email address @... !
>

 
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MarkJul 1, 2013
 

 

 
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DeanJul 1, 2013
 

 

 
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mathewJul 2, 2013
 

 
Im not a savvy techy but ive got wtfpd installed with all its parts (thanks to Dons links) but it don't work bringing up a message that its not available. Anyone got any ideas as im missing my fix of Clue.

Im going to miss Radio Downloader as it was easy and brilliant to use.
I know its down to licensing issues and its up the bbc but in the world we now live with the demand for on demand listening as high as it is its daft how you cant download radio programmes off the bbc.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Dean" <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> I perhaps should have intervened earlier but the current thread seems to be talking about someone applying to join Mark's forum. As I've suggested before, issues about the forum should really be discussed there.
>
> I am revoking someone's posting privilleges because they have been unable to follow a request I made not to refer again to a past dispute. This is just the second time in six and half years I have had to revoke someone's posting privilleges.
>
> This group is a fun forum. We are nice here. We are welcoming here. I really have no desire at all to be a censor but I just don't want to be part of a forum which gets bogged down in petty disputes.
>
> The only rule here is be nice and considerate to each other. It's not too much to ask, I hope.
>
> A small point - Yahoo is upgrading servers in the next two days and so messages will be delayed.
>

 
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charles_rookeJul 2, 2013
 

 
mat - are you able to be more specific about the "it" that the error message says isn't available?

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "mathew" <mat_bagnall@...> wrote:
>
> Im not a savvy techy but ive got wtfpd installed with all its parts (thanks to Dons links) but it don't work bringing up a message that its not available. Anyone got any ideas as im missing my fix of Clue.
>
>

 
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mathewJul 2, 2013
 

 
The message reads "1 episodes were not found - please try again later". I find the episode, select it and press download.

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
>
> mat - are you able to be more specific about the "it" that the error message says isn't available?
>
> Charlie
>
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., "mathew" <mat_bagnall@> wrote:
> >
> > Im not a savvy techy but ive got wtfpd installed with all its parts (thanks to Dons links) but it don't work bringing up a message that its not available. Anyone got any ideas as im missing my fix of Clue.
> >
> >
>

 
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charles_rookeJul 2, 2013
 

 
Dean - Thank you. Both for the group and for keeping it the way it is.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "Dean" <dbedford@...> wrote:
>
> I perhaps should have intervened earlier but the current thread seems to be talking about someone applying to join Mark's forum. As I've suggested before, issues about the forum should really be discussed there.
>
> I am revoking someone's posting privilleges because they have been unable to follow a request I made not to refer again to a past dispute. This is just the second time in six and half years I have had to revoke someone's posting privilleges.
>
> This group is a fun forum. We are nice here. We are welcoming here. I really have no desire at all to be a censor but I just don't want to be part of a forum which gets bogged down in petty disputes.
>
> The only rule here is be nice and considerate to each other. It's not too much to ask, I hope.
>
> A small point - Yahoo is upgrading servers in the next two days and so messages will be delayed.
>

 
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Tony BaechlerJul 2, 2013
 

 
Are you in the UK? If not, you won't be able to get a lot of BBC material,
especially TV shows. I don't know what episode you're not getting, but it
sounds like it's blocked outside of the UK. I've tried Get IPlayer as
mentioned here, but found it useless for most programs. I'm sure it works
great for people within the UK. Depending on what you want, it might be
available as a podcast. Before someone corrects me, let me say that yes,
some episodes are available outside of the UK but not in great quality and
not much better than the podcasts.

On 7/2/2013 3:11 PM, mathew wrote:
> The message reads "1 episodes were not found - please try again later". I find the episode, select it and press download.

 
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charles_rookeJul 3, 2013
 

 
I believe (but stand to be corrected) that radio can be grabbed from outside the UK but that TV requires a UK IP address ... [stands by to be shot down in flames]

mat - can't help with that error message I'm afraid, sorry.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> Are you in the UK? If not, you won't be able to get a lot of BBC material,
> especially TV shows. I don't know what episode you're not getting, but it
> sounds like it's blocked outside of the UK. I've tried Get IPlayer as
> mentioned here, but found it useless for most programs. I'm sure it works
> great for people within the UK. Depending on what you want, it might be
> available as a podcast. Before someone corrects me, let me say that yes,
> some episodes are available outside of the UK but not in great quality and
> not much better than the podcasts.
>
> On 7/2/2013 3:11 PM, mathew wrote:
> > The message reads "1 episodes were not found - please try again later". I find the episode, select it and press download.
>

 
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Simon B KellyJul 3, 2013
 

 
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/outside_the_uk/radio_world

Can I listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer outside the UK?

"Yes, you can listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer if you are outside the UK. As long as the computer you are using has a recent version of Flash Player correctly installed, you should be able to listen live and listen again normally."

So everyone with internet access should be able to listen to JAM or ISIHAC from anywhere in the world. If they want to make a digital copy of what they're listening to then they can record it using Audacity or by connecting a digital recorder to the headphone socket of their computer/internet device.

It's true that outside the UK the bitrate is reduced to a 44.1Khz 48Kps stream but this is fine for speech and is certainly better than nothing at all!

Simon

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
>
> I believe (but stand to be corrected) that radio can be grabbed from outside the UK but that TV requires a UK IP address ... [stands by to be shot down in flames]

 
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Tony BaechlerJul 3, 2013
 

 
Oh sure, you can listen to _SOME_ programs outside of the UK. I thought I
made that clear, but I apologize if I didn't. However, some programs aren't
available, like classical music from Radio 3 and some podcasts, like
Composer of the Week. Even in cases where Radio 4 programs are available
like The Now Show, the quality is frankly crap. The stream is mono and
there was an annoying clicking sound throughout, at least in my test. I'm
sure this isn't an issue within the UK. So yes, you can get some programs
sometimes, but the quality isn't that good and frankly I consider it
unlistenable due to the annoying clicking and the mono sound. I believe,
but stand to be corrected that Afternoon Drama isn't available though as it
wouldn't let me get it when I tried. Keeping this on topic, I don't know
specifically about JAM episodes, but I think they're available as podcasts,
again if you don't mind poor quality mono recordings. Oh, and forget
programs like Desert Island Discs as the podcasts don't include the musical
selections and are also low quality mono.

On 7/3/2013 1:51 AM, Simon B Kelly wrote:
> http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/outside_the_uk/radio_world
>
> Can I listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer outside the UK?
>
> "Yes, you can listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer if you are outside the UK. As long as the computer you are using has a recent version of Flash Player correctly installed, you should be able to listen live and listen again normally."
>
> So everyone with internet access should be able to listen to JAM or ISIHAC from anywhere in the world. If they want to make a digital copy of what they're listening to then they can record it using Audacity or by connecting a digital recorder to the headphone socket of their computer/internet device.
>
> It's true that outside the UK the bitrate is reduced to a 44.1Khz 48Kps stream but this is fine for speech and is certainly better than nothing at all!
>
> Simon
>
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
>>
>> I believe (but stand to be corrected) that radio can be grabbed from outside the UK but that TV requires a UK IP address ... [stands by to be shot down in flames]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

 
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Topic: Re: Dust-biting (continued)

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charles_rookeJul 3, 2013
 

 
Tony, I don't know where you are based, but I know that people in the US can get stero, Radio 3 and Afternoon Drama. They are I believe only able to download 48kbps WMA files, therefore not such high quality as the 128 kbps AAC files we can get here in the UK, but mp3 conversions thereof are perfectly listenable to. I suspect your mono + clicks experience is due to something else. Were you downloading files? Or just listening to and/or recording from the sound card an internet stream? The latter could, I imagine, be quite atrocious for many reasons.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> Oh sure, you can listen to _SOME_ programs outside of the UK. I thought I
> made that clear, but I apologize if I didn't. However, some programs aren't
> available, like classical music from Radio 3 and some podcasts, like
> Composer of the Week. Even in cases where Radio 4 programs are available
> like The Now Show, the quality is frankly crap. The stream is mono and
> there was an annoying clicking sound throughout, at least in my test. I'm
> sure this isn't an issue within the UK. So yes, you can get some programs
> sometimes, but the quality isn't that good and frankly I consider it
> unlistenable due to the annoying clicking and the mono sound. I believe,
> but stand to be corrected that Afternoon Drama isn't available though as it
> wouldn't let me get it when I tried. Keeping this on topic, I don't know
> specifically about JAM episodes, but I think they're available as podcasts,
> again if you don't mind poor quality mono recordings. Oh, and forget
> programs like Desert Island Discs as the podcasts don't include the musical
> selections and are also low quality mono.
>
> On 7/3/2013 1:51 AM, Simon B Kelly wrote:
> > http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/outside_the_uk/radio_world
> >
> > Can I listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer outside the UK?
> >
> > "Yes, you can listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer if you are outside the UK. As long as the computer you are using has a recent version of Flash Player correctly installed, you should be able to listen live and listen again normally."
> >
> > So everyone with internet access should be able to listen to JAM or ISIHAC from anywhere in the world. If they want to make a digital copy of what they're listening to then they can record it using Audacity or by connecting a digital recorder to the headphone socket of their computer/internet device.
> >
> > It's true that outside the UK the bitrate is reduced to a 44.1Khz 48Kps stream but this is fine for speech and is certainly better than nothing at all!
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > --- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe (but stand to be corrected) that radio can be grabbed from outside the UK but that TV requires a UK IP address ... [stands by to be shot down in flames]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>

 
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Message 18 / 30
James R CurryJul 3, 2013
 

 
I can confirm that this is correct -- I've checked from both the UK
and the US. US folks get a scratchy 48kbps WMA file. UK folks get a
glorious 128kbps AAC file.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:03 AM, charles_rooke <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
> Tony, I don't know where you are based, but I know that people in the US can get stero, Radio 3 and Afternoon Drama. They are I believe only able to download 48kbps WMA files, therefore not such high quality as the 128 kbps AAC files we can get here in the UK, but mp3 conversions thereof are perfectly listenable to. I suspect your mono + clicks experience is due to something else. Were you downloading files? Or just listening to and/or recording from the sound card an internet stream? The latter could, I imagine, be quite atrocious for many reasons.


--
James R Curry
scratchy@...

 
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Topic: Re: Dust-biting (continued)

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James R CurryJul 3, 2013
 

 

 
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DavidJul 3, 2013
 

 
I live in South Korea and we get a 48kbps WMA file. It is listenable - I know this because I listen to it on my mp3 player. It is like listening to my old transistor radio when I was a kid. However, the sound is clear without any pops and crackle. It is just a reduced quality. I have some software that I use to download the mms stream. It is not perfect but it is probably good enough for me.

Love, David

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:
>
> I can confirm that this is correct -- I've checked from both the UK
> and the US. US folks get a scratchy 48kbps WMA file. UK folks get a
> glorious 128kbps AAC file.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:03 AM, charles_rooke <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
> > Tony, I don't know where you are based, but I know that people in the US can get stero, Radio 3 and Afternoon Drama. They are I believe only able to download 48kbps WMA files, therefore not such high quality as the 128 kbps AAC files we can get here in the UK, but mp3 conversions thereof are perfectly listenable to. I suspect your mono + clicks experience is due to something else. Were you downloading files? Or just listening to and/or recording from the sound card an internet stream? The latter could, I imagine, be quite atrocious for many reasons.
>
>
> --
> James R Curry
> scratchy@...
>

 
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Message 21 / 30
DavidJul 3, 2013
 

 
Tony, I am not sure where you live. As I mentioned I live in South Korea. Here is a link I use to find the wma streams for downloading:

http://beebotron.org/public3/public_wwo3/wwo3_index.html?reload

Actually I often do download radio 3 shows but I find them a little "quieter" then radio 4. Not sure what that is about. However, I often download Composer of the week, The Early Music show and some of the jazz show.

Some of the podcasts are unavailable however, I usually download the listen again streams which are available for 7 days after broadcast. My Now Show copies have been pretty clear so as mentioned you may want to think about a connection or hardware problem.

I hope that this info helps anyone.

Love, David

--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> Oh sure, you can listen to _SOME_ programs outside of the UK. I thought I
> made that clear, but I apologize if I didn't. However, some programs aren't
> available, like classical music from Radio 3 and some podcasts, like
> Composer of the Week. Even in cases where Radio 4 programs are available
> like The Now Show, the quality is frankly crap. The stream is mono and
> there was an annoying clicking sound throughout, at least in my test. I'm
> sure this isn't an issue within the UK. So yes, you can get some programs
> sometimes, but the quality isn't that good and frankly I consider it
> unlistenable due to the annoying clicking and the mono sound. I believe,
> but stand to be corrected that Afternoon Drama isn't available though as it
> wouldn't let me get it when I tried. Keeping this on topic, I don't know
> specifically about JAM episodes, but I think they're available as podcasts,
> again if you don't mind poor quality mono recordings. Oh, and forget
> programs like Desert Island Discs as the podcasts don't include the musical
> selections and are also low quality mono.
>
> On 7/3/2013 1:51 AM, Simon B Kelly wrote:
> > http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/outside_the_uk/radio_world
> >
> > Can I listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer outside the UK?
> >
> > "Yes, you can listen to BBC radio in BBC iPlayer if you are outside the UK. As long as the computer you are using has a recent version of Flash Player correctly installed, you should be able to listen live and listen again normally."
> >
> > So everyone with internet access should be able to listen to JAM or ISIHAC from anywhere in the world. If they want to make a digital copy of what they're listening to then they can record it using Audacity or by connecting a digital recorder to the headphone socket of their computer/internet device.
> >
> > It's true that outside the UK the bitrate is reduced to a 44.1Khz 48Kps stream but this is fine for speech and is certainly better than nothing at all!
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > --- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe (but stand to be corrected) that radio can be grabbed from outside the UK but that TV requires a UK IP address ... [stands by to be shot down in flames]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>

 
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Message 22 / 30
MarkJul 3, 2013
 

 

 
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Simon B KellyJul 3, 2013
 

 
AudioGo.com are selling Series 65 of JAM for £3.99 GBP or $4.99 USD:

http://www.audiogo.com/uk/just-a-minute-series-65-bbc-gid-100114
http://www.audiogo.com/us/just-a-minute-series-65-bbc-gid-100114

The above example works out at about 50p or 62c per episode for 256k MP3s without any DRM. Unfortunately, they're not all that price and individual episodes can cost from $1.49 up to $2.49. It's worth checking now and again for the special offers, though. ;-)

Simon

 
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James R CurryJul 4, 2013
 

 
Thanks for that -- fair price.

Money firmly where mouth is and season purchased for $4.99.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Simon B Kelly <simonbkelly@...> wrote:
> AudioGo.com are selling Series 65 of JAM for £3.99 GBP or $4.99 USD:
>
> http://www.audiogo.com/uk/just-a-minute-series-65-bbc-gid-100114
> http://www.audiogo.com/us/just-a-minute-series-65-bbc-gid-100114
>
> The above example works out at about 50p or 62c per episode for 256k MP3s without any DRM. Unfortunately, they're not all that price and individual episodes can cost from $1.49 up to $2.49. It's worth checking now and again for the special offers, though. ;-)
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



--
James R Curry
scratchy@...

 
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Tony BaechlerJul 4, 2013
 

 
All,

I'm in the US. I promise that it isn't a connection or hardware problem.
I'm using get_iplayer on a dedicated Linux server with a fast processor and
minimal load. I have a high speed business connection. The problem is
definitely not on my end. I don't bother with the WMA streams, but get the
Flash streams which is the get_iplayer default. I haven't bothered too much
for the last several years with the Afternoon Drama, but the last time I
tried, I was told the episode wasn't available. That's why I initially
replied that probably the show Matthew wanted isn't available outside of the
UK. More recently, I got a copy of the Now Show series 40 after Paul
stopped offering them and had the annoying clicking sound. I've never heard
that on any other shows before, so I don't know what that was about, but I
certainly don't get that from other sources. When I tried to go to the
Composer of the Week podcast, I get a page telling me that I'm not allowed
to download it outside of the UK. If I persist and try to get an mp3 file,
I get a file called not_allowed.mp3, so I think I'm pretty much blocked.
From my exhaustive look at the other BBC podcasts, most of Radio 1, 2 and 3
aren't available outside of the UK because of the musical rights issues. I
don't care about Radio 1 and 2 but Radio 3 would be nice, especially Drama
on 3. The sound I was getting from the various people sharing here was
night and day in comparison. You really lose a lot without the stereo
stream and the 128 K audio. Even the podcasts aren't that great and don't
include some of the music from what I've read here.

On 7/3/2013 5:33 PM, David wrote:
> Tony, I am not sure where you live. As I mentioned I live in South Korea. Here is a link I use to find the wma streams for downloading:
>
> http://beebotron.org/public3/public_wwo3/wwo3_index.html?reload
>
> Actually I often do download radio 3 shows but I find them a little "quieter" then radio 4. Not sure what that is about. However, I often download Composer of the week, The Early Music show and some of the jazz show.
>
> Some of the podcasts are unavailable however, I usually download the listen again streams which are available for 7 days after broadcast. My Now Show copies have been pretty clear so as mentioned you may want to think about a connection or hardware problem.
>
> I hope that this info helps anyone.


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

 
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Message 26 / 30
charles_rookeJul 5, 2013
 

 
Why not? I believe that's what others in the US download. Could that be why you can't get programmes that others in the US can and/or why you get poorer quality than others in the US? WMA might not be as good as our 128 kbps AAC, but seemingly its better than what you're getting.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> I don't bother with the WMA streams,

 
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Tony BaechlerJul 5, 2013
 

 
My understanding is that WMA streams are lower quality than Flash.
Get_IPlayer has an option to automatically pick the best quality stream from
those available which is usually what I use and it never picks the WMA
streams. Besides, it doesn't support WMA directly. However, I'll try it
for my own curiosity. Perhaps I misread something in the documentation. I
know it doesn't support mms streams which is what WMA uses. Of course none
of this is an issue if you can download from within the UK.

Perhaps I'm too picky, but regardless of format, I find most low quality
streams unlistenable, especially for dramas produced in stereo. So much
depth is lost that it really isn't the same listening experience. I would
actually consider buying a pass to get X high quality versions of Afternoon
Drama if it was offered. In other words, for a reasonable fee, I could get
my daily Afternoon Drama, Saturday Drama, etc as a high quality, 256 K
stereo download without DRM. I admit that I haven't looked, but I've never
seen sets of those for sale. As someone mentioned here, you can buy JAM,
but it's expensive most of the time and you can't get a complete collection.
I saw a JAM series with Paul Merton on Amazon US for around $15 to $20 USD.
I don't remember the exact price, but it's too expensive for me. I think
the BBC issues some on CD, but from what I've seen, they're the best of 2009
and aren't the complete series.

On 7/5/2013 1:12 AM, charles_rooke wrote:
> Why not? I believe that's what others in the US download. Could that be why you can't get programmes that others in the US can and/or why you get poorer quality than others in the US? WMA might not be as good as our 128 kbps AAC, but seemingly its better than what you're getting.
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>>
>> I don't bother with the WMA streams,
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

 
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Message 28 / 30
charles_rookeJul 6, 2013
 

 
Tony - Get_iPlayer certainly supports wma for radio - see https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/modes . As you say, it is supposedly not the best quality available, and isn't in the UK, but it may be better than what you've been experiencing. I'm not sure to what extent US downloaders have (do date at least) used get_iPlayer as opposed to, say, RadioDownloader or NetTransport - but while perhaps not 256 kbps quality they have certainly been getting results much better than those you described. As an alternative source for something popular like Afternoon Drama, you could get 128 kbps stereo from TheBox or (if you don't like torrents) the a.b.s.r.bbc and/or a.b.s.r.british usenet groups.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:
>
> My understanding is that WMA streams are lower quality than Flash.
> Get_IPlayer has an option to automatically pick the best quality stream from
> those available which is usually what I use and it never picks the WMA
> streams. Besides, it doesn't support WMA directly. However, I'll try it
> for my own curiosity. Perhaps I misread something in the documentation. I
> know it doesn't support mms streams which is what WMA uses. Of course none
> of this is an issue if you can download from within the UK.
>
> Perhaps I'm too picky, but regardless of format, I find most low quality
> streams unlistenable, especially for dramas produced in stereo. So much
> depth is lost that it really isn't the same listening experience. I would
> actually consider buying a pass to get X high quality versions of Afternoon
> Drama if it was offered. In other words, for a reasonable fee, I could get
> my daily Afternoon Drama, Saturday Drama, etc as a high quality, 256 K
> stereo download without DRM. I admit that I haven't looked, but I've never
> seen sets of those for sale. As someone mentioned here, you can buy JAM,
> but it's expensive most of the time and you can't get a complete collection.
> I saw a JAM series with Paul Merton on Amazon US for around $15 to $20 USD.
> I don't remember the exact price, but it's too expensive for me. I think
> the BBC issues some on CD, but from what I've seen, they're the best of 2009
> and aren't the complete series.
>
> On 7/5/2013 1:12 AM, charles_rooke wrote:
> > Why not? I believe that's what others in the US download. Could that be why you can't get programmes that others in the US can and/or why you get poorer quality than others in the US? WMA might not be as good as our 128 kbps AAC, but seemingly its better than what you're getting.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't bother with the WMA streams,
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
> Tony Baechler
> mailto:tony.baechler@...
>

 
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Topic: Re: Dust-biting (continued)

Message 29 / 30
DavidJul 6, 2013
 

 
Can I apologize in advance about being too "techy" but when you live outside the UK how you get your BBC radio shows becomes more important. I did not know that get_iplayer could download the BBC wma files. Thank you very much for that information. I was downloading the mms files through streaming software which was okay but a little slow.

So I read the link you gave but it was a little beyond me I am afraid. I am not very good with command lines and I have not used get_player really. However, I found this link and "hey preto" I got a 48kps m4a file really quickly:

http://www.rockrc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2210

I am going to do a bit more exploring but I wanted to thank you very much for this information.

As I say maybe a little off topic but I just wanted to show my thanks.

Love, David

--- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@...> wrote:
>
> Tony - Get_iPlayer certainly supports wma for radio - see https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/modes . As you say, it is supposedly not the best quality available, and isn't in the UK, but it may be better than what you've been experiencing. I'm not sure to what extent US downloaders have (do date at least) used get_iPlayer as opposed to, say, RadioDownloader or NetTransport - but while perhaps not 256 kbps quality they have certainly been getting results much better than those you described. As an alternative source for something popular like Afternoon Drama, you could get 128 kbps stereo from TheBox or (if you don't like torrents) the a.b.s.r.bbc and/or a.b.s.r.british usenet groups.
>
> Charlie
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding is that WMA streams are lower quality than Flash.
> > Get_IPlayer has an option to automatically pick the best quality stream from
> > those available which is usually what I use and it never picks the WMA
> > streams. Besides, it doesn't support WMA directly. However, I'll try it
> > for my own curiosity. Perhaps I misread something in the documentation. I
> > know it doesn't support mms streams which is what WMA uses. Of course none
> > of this is an issue if you can download from within the UK.
> >
> > Perhaps I'm too picky, but regardless of format, I find most low quality
> > streams unlistenable, especially for dramas produced in stereo. So much
> > depth is lost that it really isn't the same listening experience. I would
> > actually consider buying a pass to get X high quality versions of Afternoon
> > Drama if it was offered. In other words, for a reasonable fee, I could get
> > my daily Afternoon Drama, Saturday Drama, etc as a high quality, 256 K
> > stereo download without DRM. I admit that I haven't looked, but I've never
> > seen sets of those for sale. As someone mentioned here, you can buy JAM,
> > but it's expensive most of the time and you can't get a complete collection.
> > I saw a JAM series with Paul Merton on Amazon US for around $15 to $20 USD.
> > I don't remember the exact price, but it's too expensive for me. I think
> > the BBC issues some on CD, but from what I've seen, they're the best of 2009
> > and aren't the complete series.
> >
> > On 7/5/2013 1:12 AM, charles_rooke wrote:
> > > Why not? I believe that's what others in the US download. Could that be why you can't get programmes that others in the US can and/or why you get poorer quality than others in the US? WMA might not be as good as our 128 kbps AAC, but seemingly its better than what you're getting.
> > >
> > > Charlie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I don't bother with the WMA streams,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Have a good day,
> > Tony Baechler
> > mailto:tony.baechler@
> >
>

 
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Topic: Re: Dust-biting (continued)

Message 30 / 30
charles_rookeJul 7, 2013
 

 
David and Tony - It seems I was wrong in thinking that WMA at 48 kbps is the best option outside the UK. I've discussed this over the last 24 hours with a US collector. In the US at least (but I would assume the same holds good elsewhere in the world) one can get AACs, some at 128 kbps and some at 48 kbps. I assume that either should in theory be better than WMA. My contact wrote as follows:

- I use the url and NetTransport to grab the AAC and then convert it to an MP3. It is RadioDownloader without autodownload and conversion. No big change for me since that was what I did before RD.

- I get AACs at the kbps the BBC has decided I can get them in. Some are 128 and some are 48. It depends on the station and show. No consistency. It was the same with RD. If the url doesn't give me an AAC, I use FLV extract to pull the AAC from the FLV.

- I conducted a test of iFetch by unchecking the 'convert to mp3' box on the options tab. Fetched Radio 4 and 4 Extra and checked 20 files (plays, readings and comedies) and clicked download. It gave me the FLVs. I dragged the FLVs into FLV extract and clicked ok and I had 20 AACs on the computer. It took longer for iFetch to get the list than it took to get the FLVs and extract the AACs. The AACs were either 128 kbps or 48 kbps.

- The BBC gives international users a combo based on rationale that I can't figure out. These are the same AACs that I would have got with RD. I clipped them lossless and then converted them to MP3 with Switch. The result was the same quality MP3 that I got from RD.

Hope this is of some interest/help.

Charlie

--- In just-a-minute@..., "David" <drling0@...> wrote:
>
> Can I apologize in advance about being too "techy" but when you live outside the UK how you get your BBC radio shows becomes more important. I did not know that get_iplayer could download the BBC wma files. Thank you very much for that information. I was downloading the mms files through streaming software which was okay but a little slow.
>
> So I read the link you gave but it was a little beyond me I am afraid. I am not very good with command lines and I have not used get_player really. However, I found this link and "hey preto" I got a 48kps m4a file really quickly:
>
> http://www.rockrc.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2210
>
> I am going to do a bit more exploring but I wanted to thank you very much for this information.
>
> As I say maybe a little off topic but I just wanted to show my thanks.
>
> Love, David
>
>
> --- In just-a-minute@..., "charles_rooke" <charles_rooke@> wrote:
> >
> > Tony - Get_iPlayer certainly supports wma for radio - see https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/wiki/modes . As you say, it is supposedly not the best quality available, and isn't in the UK, but it may be better than what you've been experiencing. I'm not sure to what extent US downloaders have (do date at least) used get_iPlayer as opposed to, say, RadioDownloader or NetTransport - but while perhaps not 256 kbps quality they have certainly been getting results much better than those you described. As an alternative source for something popular like Afternoon Drama, you could get 128 kbps stereo from TheBox or (if you don't like torrents) the a.b.s.r.bbc and/or a.b.s.r.british usenet groups.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > --- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My understanding is that WMA streams are lower quality than Flash.
> > > Get_IPlayer has an option to automatically pick the best quality stream from
> > > those available which is usually what I use and it never picks the WMA
> > > streams. Besides, it doesn't support WMA directly. However, I'll try it
> > > for my own curiosity. Perhaps I misread something in the documentation. I
> > > know it doesn't support mms streams which is what WMA uses. Of course none
> > > of this is an issue if you can download from within the UK.
> > >
> > > Perhaps I'm too picky, but regardless of format, I find most low quality
> > > streams unlistenable, especially for dramas produced in stereo. So much
> > > depth is lost that it really isn't the same listening experience. I would
> > > actually consider buying a pass to get X high quality versions of Afternoon
> > > Drama if it was offered. In other words, for a reasonable fee, I could get
> > > my daily Afternoon Drama, Saturday Drama, etc as a high quality, 256 K
> > > stereo download without DRM. I admit that I haven't looked, but I've never
> > > seen sets of those for sale. As someone mentioned here, you can buy JAM,
> > > but it's expensive most of the time and you can't get a complete collection.
> > > I saw a JAM series with Paul Merton on Amazon US for around $15 to $20 USD.
> > > I don't remember the exact price, but it's too expensive for me. I think
> > > the BBC issues some on CD, but from what I've seen, they're the best of 2009
> > > and aren't the complete series.
> > >
> > > On 7/5/2013 1:12 AM, charles_rooke wrote:
> > > > Why not? I believe that's what others in the US download. Could that be why you can't get programmes that others in the US can and/or why you get poorer quality than others in the US? WMA might not be as good as our 128 kbps AAC, but seemingly its better than what you're getting.
> > > >
> > > > Charlie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In just-a-minute@..., Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't bother with the WMA streams,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Have a good day,
> > > Tony Baechler
> > > mailto:tony.baechler@
> > >
> >
>