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Topic: British Copyright

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MarkJul 2, 2013

In case you wanted to do your own copyright research, the legislation is at

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/contents

I was curious whether Dean's transcriptions of the episodes might annoy Auntie, but under section 29.1 it might be OK if they are obviously "research for a non-commercial purpose ... provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement."

Mark

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Topic: Re: British Copyright

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James R CurryJul 3, 2013

Given that people from the Beeb have contacted Dean in the past with regard to the show, I'd say they're well aware of the transcripts on his site.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:

In case you wanted to do your own copyright research, the legislation is at

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/contents

I was curious whether Dean's transcriptions of the episodes might annoy Auntie, but under section 29.1 it might be OK if they are obviously "research for a non-commercial purpose ... provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement."

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Mark

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James R Curry

scratchy@...

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Topic: Re: British Copyright

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nylonJul 3, 2013

Oh, yes. They would be fully aware of Dean's transcripts, but will they decide to change their laissez-faire policy and start getting tough on things they've tolerated in the past, of which they have also been aware? It seems the Beeb has recently been sharpening its claws...

But as I said, I think Dean would be safe under section 29.1. But who knows? The BBC might decide that one transcript or two in an article is "fair use" but hundreds of them online constitute a violation of the act. The wording of the act leaves as much to the imagination as a nun's habit. Anything that goes to court under copyright law will usually be painful, messy, and utterly illogical.

It seems the results of copyright cases are a lucky dip. You've seen the cases in America where music uploaders get fined $200 per song by one judge, then fined $20,000 on appeal - or vice versa. And American copyright law - and most of the western world's laws - are very similar because they're all based on the Berne Convention.

Copyright court is more like a trial in a wild west saloon trial than Rumpole at the Bailey - and usually the guy with the biggest gun wins.

On 4 July 2013 01:44, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:

Given that people from the Beeb have contacted Dean in the past with regard to the show, I'd say they're well aware of the transcripts on his site.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:

In case you wanted to do your own copyright research, the legislation is at

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/contents

I was curious whether Dean's transcriptions of the episodes might annoy Auntie, but under section 29.1 it might be OK if they are obviously "research for a non-commercial purpose ... provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement."

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Mark

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James R Curry
scratchy@...
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Mark

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Topic: Re: British Copyright

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Wayne StylesJul 4, 2013

Hello

The problem as I see it is not that the beeb have a right, but as said what they can do to an individual should they wish? The simple answer is, its a risk and could anyone really afford to contest, probably not. I think the answer is to put all the jams onto a torrent site and let them be in the public domain via a not targeted route. There is a DVD already available, but the quality on some episodes leaves a lot to be desired. But it has been around for a long time.

Its not in MHO that the beeb want to hit JAM scene, but they may want to show others that they are here and willing should the need arise to take action. Lets assume that they went after Dean and he ended up with £20k fine? I doubt we as a small group could support or help to cope with this. Maybe we are concerned over nothing, but we should avoid poking the dragon in the eye with a stick.

From: nylon <sirnylon@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
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Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] British Copyright

Copyright court is more like a trial in a wild west saloon trial than Rumpole at the Bailey - and usually the guy with the biggest gun wins.

On 4 July 2013 01:44, James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:

Given that people from the Beeb have contacted Dean in the past with regard to the show, I'd say they're well aware of the transcripts on his site.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Mark <sirnylon@...> wrote:

In case you wanted to do your own copyright research, the legislation is at

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/contents

I was curious whether Dean's transcriptions of the episodes might annoy Auntie, but under section 29.1 it might be OK if they are obviously "research for a non-commercial purpose ... provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement."

--
Mark

--
James R Curry
scratchy@...
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Mark

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