Just A Minute

On 8/14/2013 8:38 PM, James R Curry wrote:
>
>
> Hello, JAMfolk!
>
> I'll keep the interesting bit at the top and the stuff you can ignore below.
>
> So, slowly making good on my promise to sort through the World Service
> episodes, I compared the crisp if low-bitrate World Service copy of #462,
> Goose, to the version in my collection. The prior version in my collection
> is quite muffled, so as always, let me know if you have a better source.
>
> THE INTERESTING BIT
>
> I've made a new edit of #462, using the World Service recording and splicing
> in two bits from the old recording that weren't in the world service copy.
> 35 seconds of material. This gives us a full copy of the episode in a
> mostly better quality than I believe we had before.
>
> It's available in my usual stash, which I won't post here. If you don't
> have it and you're a regular poster, email me.
>
> THE LESS INTERESTING DETAILS
>
> Oh, to be a World Service editor. I'm honestly not sure if the World
> Service edits are trimmed down from the domestic broadcast, or if both edits
> start with the same source material and are created independently. There
> are a lot of timing differences, when in one edit the studio audience
> laughter will be shorter (it's kind of white noise, so I imagine easy for
> them to make that sort of cut) or speech will be tightened with a pause
> between words shortened here and there. It's actually kind of interesting
> the first time you play the edits on top of each other, and they seem
> perfectly in sync for a little while, and then all of a sudden one has
> jumped ahead because of these edits.
>
> In this case, the World Service edit was actually the longer one for the
> first couple of minutes. Then, after that, the original broadcast was
> consistently longer due to these non-content edits. They gained 32 seconds
> like this, in fact.
>
> There are two actual content edits in this episode, and these are the bits I
> restored (I really don't care about the non-content changes). From Dean's
> incredibly helpful site, here's the first of them:
>
> NP: 23 seconds for you, salad days starting now.
>
> CF: Good challenge, yes.
>
> NP: I think it's a good challenge, yes, Clement. Definitely. And I gave my
> reason and I think I was justified. Derek you have the subject,
>
> Obviously non-essential talk that's cut for time, but I do hate missing
> banter, especially with the original team. It's part of the great character
> of the show.
>
> The other edit was likely for content:
>
> DN: I once saw an untouchable in Bombay with a terrible carbuncle and I went
> to the local hospital and said "would you please give this poor man a
> dressing?" Now as he was of the wrong caste they wouldn't apply a dressing
> to him. Now I thought it was a tragedy...
>
> BUZZ
>
> NP: Paul Merton challenged.
>
> PM: Oh sorry, I was... dressing!
>
> NP: Dressing is the subject.
>
> PM: Sorry.
>
> NP: You can repeat the subject on the card, yes, it is easily done.
> Thirty-one seconds still with you Derek.
>
> As I've observed before, the World Service edits do tend to drop any content
> that may be considered sensitive, so I can see why this was excised.
>
> Anyhow, hope someone other than me enjoys the edit - I've encoded it back at
> a higher quality than any of the sources to try to stem generational loss.
>
>
> --
> James R Curry
> scratchy@... <mailto:scratchy@...>
>
>
>


--
Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
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--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> The ABC broadcasts are another thing entirely. While the World Service
> is/was an international broadcast fully owned by the BBC, international
> stations such as ABC picked up their copies from the BBC Transcription
> Service (now BBC Radio International), the syndication arm of BBC Radio.
>
> Historically, Transcription Service copies were shipped on records with a
> limited total length, and so the episodes were edited down to fit that
> length. In the case of Just a Minute (and I'm sure many other BBC quizzes
> and comedies), they unfortunately would make that target by removing at
> least one entire round from the show.
>
> As such, there are now likely three edits for a lot of shows:
> 1. The original Radio 4/Home Service transmission version.
> 2. The World Service edit.
> 3. The Transcription Service edit.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...>wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for this useful bit of information. I had noticed that the WS shows
> > were shorter but wasn't sure why. As I've mentioned here before, I am a
> > fan
> > of quiz shows. I went to the WS archives and found an episode of Brain of
> > Britain, but the running time is only 26:49 and I was wondering why. The
> > regular BBC shows usually run close to 28:00. I can't really see what they
> > would need to edit out of a quiz show, but your explanation of JAM edits
> > below makes sense. I have heard several other comedies rebroadcast by ABC,
> > such as Many a Slip, so presumably they are the WS versions. Again, I
> > noticed that at least a couple of minutes are missing, but I can't figure
> > out what was cut. That now makes some sense. I would still really like a
> > complete set of Many a Slip without the WS edits. Many episodes of JAM
> > seem
> > to run 25:00 as well, also ABC rebroadcasts.
> >
> > On 8/14/2013 8:38 PM, James R Curry wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, JAMfolk!
> > >
> > > I'll keep the interesting bit at the top and the stuff you can ignore
> > below.
> > >
> > > So, slowly making good on my promise to sort through the World Service
> > > episodes, I compared the crisp if low-bitrate World Service copy of #462,
> > > Goose, to the version in my collection. The prior version in my
> > collection
> > > is quite muffled, so as always, let me know if you have a better source.
> > >
> > > THE INTERESTING BIT
> > >
> > > I've made a new edit of #462, using the World Service recording and
> > splicing
> > > in two bits from the old recording that weren't in the world service
> > copy.
> > > 35 seconds of material. This gives us a full copy of the episode in a
> > > mostly better quality than I believe we had before.
> > >
> > > It's available in my usual stash, which I won't post here. If you don't
> > > have it and you're a regular poster, email me.
> > >
> > > THE LESS INTERESTING DETAILS
> > >
> > > Oh, to be a World Service editor. I'm honestly not sure if the World
> > > Service edits are trimmed down from the domestic broadcast, or if both
> > edits
> > > start with the same source material and are created independently. There
> > > are a lot of timing differences, when in one edit the studio audience
> > > laughter will be shorter (it's kind of white noise, so I imagine easy for
> > > them to make that sort of cut) or speech will be tightened with a pause
> > > between words shortened here and there. It's actually kind of
> > interesting
> > > the first time you play the edits on top of each other, and they seem
> > > perfectly in sync for a little while, and then all of a sudden one has
> > > jumped ahead because of these edits.
> > >
> > > In this case, the World Service edit was actually the longer one for the
> > > first couple of minutes. Then, after that, the original broadcast was
> > > consistently longer due to these non-content edits. They gained 32
> > seconds
> > > like this, in fact.
> > >
> > > There are two actual content edits in this episode, and these are the
> > bits I
> > > restored (I really don't care about the non-content changes). From
> > Dean's
> > > incredibly helpful site, here's the first of them:
> > >
> > > NP: 23 seconds for you, salad days starting now.
> > >
> > > CF: Good challenge, yes.
> > >
> > > NP: I think it's a good challenge, yes, Clement. Definitely. And I gave
> > my
> > > reason and I think I was justified. Derek you have the subject,
> > >
> > > Obviously non-essential talk that's cut for time, but I do hate missing
> > > banter, especially with the original team. It's part of the great
> > character
> > > of the show.
> > >
> > > The other edit was likely for content:
> > >
> > > DN: I once saw an untouchable in Bombay with a terrible carbuncle and I
> > went
> > > to the local hospital and said "would you please give this poor man a
> > > dressing?" Now as he was of the wrong caste they wouldn't apply a
> > dressing
> > > to him. Now I thought it was a tragedy...
> > >
> > > BUZZ
> > >
> > > NP: Paul Merton challenged.
> > >
> > > PM: Oh sorry, I was... dressing!
> > >
> > > NP: Dressing is the subject.
> > >
> > > PM: Sorry.
> > >
> > > NP: You can repeat the subject on the card, yes, it is easily done.
> > > Thirty-one seconds still with you Derek.
> > >
> > > As I've observed before, the World Service edits do tend to drop any
> > content
> > > that may be considered sensitive, so I can see why this was excised.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, hope someone other than me enjoys the edit - I've encoded it
> > back at
> > > a higher quality than any of the sources to try to stem generational
> > loss.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > James R Curry
> > > scratchy@... <mailto:scratchy@...>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Have a good day,
> > Tony Baechler
> > mailto:tony.baechler@...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> James R Curry
> scratchy@...
>

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:
>

> The prior version in my collection
> is quite muffled, so as always, let me know if you have a better source.
>
>

 

Hi All

Keep this thread up as its very interesting to see the way the editing system works. I can understand the recordings edit to fit on certain media such as records. As I see it now the only edits now would be for removing material that may offend others, but not sure that this would be the same with internet radio.

Thanks for all the info, makes good reading.

---

From: James R Curry <scratchy@...>
To: "just-a-minute@..." <just-a-minute@...>
Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2013, 14:06
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] 462 - Goose - a new edit

 

Hey Tony,

The ABC broadcasts are another thing entirely.  While the World Service is/was an international broadcast fully owned by the BBC, international stations such as ABC picked up their copies from the BBC Transcription Service (now BBC Radio International), the syndication arm of BBC Radio.

Historically, Transcription Service copies were shipped on records with a limited total length, and so the episodes were edited down to fit that length.  In the case of Just a Minute (and I'm sure many other BBC quizzes and comedies), they unfortunately would make that target by removing at least one entire round from the show.

As such, there are now likely three edits for a lot of shows:

1. The original Radio 4/Home Service transmission version.

2. The World Service edit.

3. The Transcription Service edit.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for this useful bit of information.  I had noticed that the WS shows
were shorter but wasn't sure why.  As I've mentioned here before, I am a fan
of quiz shows.  I went to the WS archives and found an episode of Brain of
Britain, but the running time is only 26:49 and I was wondering why.  The
regular BBC shows usually run close to 28:00.  I can't really see what they
would need to edit out of a quiz show, but your explanation of JAM edits
below makes sense.  I have heard several other comedies rebroadcast by ABC,
such as Many a Slip, so presumably they are the WS versions.  Again, I
noticed that at least a couple of minutes are missing, but I can't figure
out what was cut.  That now makes some sense.  I would still really like a
complete set of Many a Slip without the WS edits.  Many episodes of JAM seem
to run 25:00 as well, also ABC rebroadcasts.

On 8/14/2013 8:38 PM, James R Curry wrote:
>
>
> Hello, JAMfolk!
>
> I'll keep the interesting bit at the top and the stuff you can ignore below.
>
> So, slowly making good on my promise to sort through the World Service
> episodes, I compared the crisp if low-bitrate World Service copy of #462,
> Goose, to the version in my collection.  The prior version in my collection
> is quite muffled, so as always, let me know if you have a better source.
>
> THE INTERESTING BIT
>
> I've made a new edit of #462, using the World Service recording and splicing
> in two bits from the old recording that weren't in the world service copy.
> 35 seconds of material.  This gives us a full copy of the episode in a
> mostly better quality than I believe we had before.
>
> It's available in my usual stash, which I won't post here.  If you don't
> have it and you're a regular poster, email me.
>
> THE LESS INTERESTING DETAILS
>
> Oh, to be a World Service editor.  I'm honestly not sure if the World
> Service edits are trimmed down from the domestic broadcast, or if both edits
> start with the same source material and are created independently.  There
> are a lot of timing differences, when in one edit the studio audience
> laughter will be shorter (it's kind of white noise, so I imagine easy for
> them to make that sort of cut) or speech will be tightened with a pause
> between words shortened here and there.  It's actually kind of interesting
> the first time you play the edits on top of each other, and they seem
> perfectly in sync for a little while, and then all of a sudden one has
> jumped ahead because of these edits.
>
> In this case, the World Service edit was actually the longer one for the
> first couple of minutes.  Then, after that, the original broadcast was
> consistently longer due to these non-content edits.  They gained 32 seconds
> like this, in fact.
>
> There are two actual content edits in this episode, and these are the bits I
> restored (I really don't care about the non-content changes).  From Dean's
> incredibly helpful site, here's the first of them:
>
> NP: 23 seconds for you, salad days starting now.
>
> CF: Good challenge, yes.
>
> NP: I think it's a good challenge, yes, Clement. Definitely. And I gave my
> reason and I think I was justified. Derek you have the subject,
>
> Obviously non-essential talk that's cut for time, but I do hate missing
> banter, especially with the original team.  It's part of the great character
> of the show.
>
> The other edit was likely for content:
>
> DN: I once saw an untouchable in Bombay with a terrible carbuncle and I went
> to the local hospital and said "would you please give this poor man a
> dressing?" Now as he was of the wrong caste they wouldn't apply a dressing
> to him. Now I thought it was a tragedy...
>
> BUZZ
>
> NP: Paul Merton challenged.
>
> PM: Oh sorry, I was... dressing!
>
> NP: Dressing is the subject.
>
> PM: Sorry.
>
> NP: You can repeat the subject on the card, yes, it is easily done.
> Thirty-one seconds still with you Derek.
>
> As I've observed before, the World Service edits do tend to drop any content
> that may be considered sensitive, so I can see why this was excised.
>
> Anyhow, hope someone other than me enjoys the edit - I've encoded it back at
> a higher quality than any of the sources to try to stem generational loss.
>
>
> --
> James R Curry

> scratchy@... <mailto:scratchy@...>
>
>
>


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