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Re: 462 - Goose - a new edit

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mathewAug 16, 2013
 

 
Is it possible to get a copy as I cannot remember where the regular place is?

--- In just-a-minute@..., James R Curry <scratchy@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> The ABC broadcasts are another thing entirely. While the World Service
> is/was an international broadcast fully owned by the BBC, international
> stations such as ABC picked up their copies from the BBC Transcription
> Service (now BBC Radio International), the syndication arm of BBC Radio.
>
> Historically, Transcription Service copies were shipped on records with a
> limited total length, and so the episodes were edited down to fit that
> length. In the case of Just a Minute (and I'm sure many other BBC quizzes
> and comedies), they unfortunately would make that target by removing at
> least one entire round from the show.
>
> As such, there are now likely three edits for a lot of shows:
> 1. The original Radio 4/Home Service transmission version.
> 2. The World Service edit.
> 3. The Transcription Service edit.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Tony Baechler <tony.baechler@...>wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks for this useful bit of information. I had noticed that the WS shows
> > were shorter but wasn't sure why. As I've mentioned here before, I am a
> > fan
> > of quiz shows. I went to the WS archives and found an episode of Brain of
> > Britain, but the running time is only 26:49 and I was wondering why. The
> > regular BBC shows usually run close to 28:00. I can't really see what they
> > would need to edit out of a quiz show, but your explanation of JAM edits
> > below makes sense. I have heard several other comedies rebroadcast by ABC,
> > such as Many a Slip, so presumably they are the WS versions. Again, I
> > noticed that at least a couple of minutes are missing, but I can't figure
> > out what was cut. That now makes some sense. I would still really like a
> > complete set of Many a Slip without the WS edits. Many episodes of JAM
> > seem
> > to run 25:00 as well, also ABC rebroadcasts.
> >
> > On 8/14/2013 8:38 PM, James R Curry wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello, JAMfolk!
> > >
> > > I'll keep the interesting bit at the top and the stuff you can ignore
> > below.
> > >
> > > So, slowly making good on my promise to sort through the World Service
> > > episodes, I compared the crisp if low-bitrate World Service copy of #462,
> > > Goose, to the version in my collection. The prior version in my
> > collection
> > > is quite muffled, so as always, let me know if you have a better source.
> > >
> > > THE INTERESTING BIT
> > >
> > > I've made a new edit of #462, using the World Service recording and
> > splicing
> > > in two bits from the old recording that weren't in the world service
> > copy.
> > > 35 seconds of material. This gives us a full copy of the episode in a
> > > mostly better quality than I believe we had before.
> > >
> > > It's available in my usual stash, which I won't post here. If you don't
> > > have it and you're a regular poster, email me.
> > >
> > > THE LESS INTERESTING DETAILS
> > >
> > > Oh, to be a World Service editor. I'm honestly not sure if the World
> > > Service edits are trimmed down from the domestic broadcast, or if both
> > edits
> > > start with the same source material and are created independently. There
> > > are a lot of timing differences, when in one edit the studio audience
> > > laughter will be shorter (it's kind of white noise, so I imagine easy for
> > > them to make that sort of cut) or speech will be tightened with a pause
> > > between words shortened here and there. It's actually kind of
> > interesting
> > > the first time you play the edits on top of each other, and they seem
> > > perfectly in sync for a little while, and then all of a sudden one has
> > > jumped ahead because of these edits.
> > >
> > > In this case, the World Service edit was actually the longer one for the
> > > first couple of minutes. Then, after that, the original broadcast was
> > > consistently longer due to these non-content edits. They gained 32
> > seconds
> > > like this, in fact.
> > >
> > > There are two actual content edits in this episode, and these are the
> > bits I
> > > restored (I really don't care about the non-content changes). From
> > Dean's
> > > incredibly helpful site, here's the first of them:
> > >
> > > NP: 23 seconds for you, salad days starting now.
> > >
> > > CF: Good challenge, yes.
> > >
> > > NP: I think it's a good challenge, yes, Clement. Definitely. And I gave
> > my
> > > reason and I think I was justified. Derek you have the subject,
> > >
> > > Obviously non-essential talk that's cut for time, but I do hate missing
> > > banter, especially with the original team. It's part of the great
> > character
> > > of the show.
> > >
> > > The other edit was likely for content:
> > >
> > > DN: I once saw an untouchable in Bombay with a terrible carbuncle and I
> > went
> > > to the local hospital and said "would you please give this poor man a
> > > dressing?" Now as he was of the wrong caste they wouldn't apply a
> > dressing
> > > to him. Now I thought it was a tragedy...
> > >
> > > BUZZ
> > >
> > > NP: Paul Merton challenged.
> > >
> > > PM: Oh sorry, I was... dressing!
> > >
> > > NP: Dressing is the subject.
> > >
> > > PM: Sorry.
> > >
> > > NP: You can repeat the subject on the card, yes, it is easily done.
> > > Thirty-one seconds still with you Derek.
> > >
> > > As I've observed before, the World Service edits do tend to drop any
> > content
> > > that may be considered sensitive, so I can see why this was excised.
> > >
> > > Anyhow, hope someone other than me enjoys the edit - I've encoded it
> > back at
> > > a higher quality than any of the sources to try to stem generational
> > loss.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > James R Curry
> > > scratchy@... <mailto:scratchy@...>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Have a good day,
> > Tony Baechler
> > mailto:tony.baechler@...
> >
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