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jerryvonkramerAug 21, 2014
 

 
Hello all,I am 31, soon to be 32. Up until about a week ago, I was a total JAM virgin. I had never listened to a single episode. Frank Skinner mentioned on his radio show that he had just been on JAM which was "something to tick off his bucket list". This led me, for whatever reason, just to look up the show. I was aware of it, but something piqued my curiosity. Then, I saw that Nicholas Parsons is 90(!) and has not missed a show since 1967. I did a few searches to see if I could find more info and to find some old episodes. And sure enough, I found Dean's wonderful site (surely everyone's first stop for JAM online) as well as a pile of old episodes on a download (I've already forgotten the source!).

I am not one to do things by halves. I didn't just want to listen to the latest episode or dive in with the Merton era, I had to start at the beginning in 1967. Indeed, I have been listening to all the episodes from this download from the first one. I'm now just at the start of 1973. I thought I'd use this thread to track some observations as I continue this journey.

- While Clement Freud seems to be the one who uses "every trick in the book", it's actually Derek Nimmo who is the more aggressive and sharper challenger. On the 60s shows, he seems like the most fierce competitor -- at times it is almost as if he is bullying the female guests with his near-constant haranguing.

- The times when Nicholas is on the panel, I'm afraid, really highlights his limitations as a performer. At the same time though, it also shows how tough his job is: Clement is too strict as chairman, Kenneth is too lenient accepting every challenge.

- Of the female participants thus far, Geraldine Jones has been far and away my favourite and perhaps also the best at the game. Wonderfully articulate woman who has a wit that goes under the radar. On the other hand, Nicholas's sucking up to Aimi MacDonald is both cloying and cringe-worthy. Sheila Hancock is fiesty and gives Kenneth, especially, a run for his money, but I don't think she's as good at the game as Geraldine. Andree Melley has been too nondescript to make a real impression.

- Kenneth Williams is not the same on the 1960s shows as he would be in the early 70s shows. It seems like it takes him some time to grow in confidence on the show, by 69 it's obvious that he's a fixture, but he's still quite reserved by his standards on those shows.  There turning point, I would say, is Peter Jones's arrival. Listening to the shows in sequence, it is almost as if Jones being there flicks a switch in Kenneth. He becomes much much more adversarial, territorial almost. I do not know what it is about Jones that brought this out in him, but his performances in 1972-3 are borderline psychotic at times with his rants at Jones and at Nicholas. It's all in good humour, of course, and frequently very funny -- indeed, these shows are much funnier than the earlier shows -- but one gets the impression that Williams was also letting Jones know who was boss. I find this turn in Kenneth a bit puzzling because Peter seems like such a mild and good natured chap, but the difference in him after Jones's introduction is marked. It is unmistakable, I would say.

- Speaking of Peter Jones, he is not at bad at the game as the various descriptions I've read make out. Does he get worse? While he's not been spectacular in terms of scoring points thus far, he's more than held his own. His put downs of Kenneth during their verbal sparring has been glorious. On one I was just listening to (Episode from 30/1/73), he brought the house down by saying he couldn't possibly know what the topic was from listening to Kenneth rabbiting on. Very funny.

- Clement Freud seems to win every single game. His only real competition seemingly is Derek Nimmo. It seems to me that they mostly pair off Clement vs. Derek, Kenneth vs. Peter. Clement and Kenneth seem to have a tacit alliance. But all are united in their contempt for Nicholas.

It's been interesting to see how the show has developed and changed in its first 5 years. I'm looking forward to getting to 2014 eventually. And I'll track my observations here as a I do.

 
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MarkAug 21, 2014
 

 

 
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jerryvonkramerAug 23, 2014
 

 
Well thanks Mark. Since reading around here and finding my way to your site, I found that the download I mentioned had very many missing episodes, so I paused my progress to go back to listen to ones I missed.I've listened to every single episode from 1969 now and now have some different insights into developing dynamics:

- The real story of the 1969 epsodes (seasons 3 and 4 as listed by Dean's site), is the apparent friendship and alliance between Kenneth and Clement. It is strange, but Kenneth seems to fawn over Clement and supports his challenges against Derek. By the end of the 1969, Sheila Hancock wonders what is going on between them and accuses them of collusion.

- Derek is often accused of being rude and "un-gallant" by Nicholas, and he is very unforgiving to the female players.

- I still think that Geraldine Jones is by far the best of the female players, but with greater exposure to Sheila Hancock on these episodes, she has more of a personal connection to the regulars, especially Kenneth. I listened out for Andree Melley to see if she'd make more of an impression and she doesn't do much more than "merely okay", I'd describe her as a "poor man's Geraldine Jones".

- Of the other women, both Moira Lister and Miriam Karlin seemed very flustered, but honestly, none of them stand out in any way -- I think it was a very difficult gig to go in there with the three regulars.

- A frequent feature of the 1969 episodes is Nicholas being quite school-masterly in giving Kenneth tickings off when he's going over the top.

- Also, Nicholas goes to the audience vote far too often during seasons 3 and 4, and it comes across as wormy behaviour to me.

- Finally, while Nicholas's creepiness with Aimi MacDonald is in full effect during her appearances, she is also quite annoying in playing the ditz and almost encouraging his preferential treatment.

 
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udpertAug 23, 2014
 

 
I'm really enjoying your observations, Jerry. I hope you'll keep them coming. I agree with you that Derek is a much more aggressive player than many people seem to remember him being. I think as you continue to listen that Sheila may eclipse Geraldine as best guest player (she always seemed to win, but also gave the other players room to entertain...a tricky quality). I agree Nicholas went to the audience too often in the early days, but I don't think it was so much indecisiveness but a way to engage them, which I think he thought was entertaining. As for Aimi, I think she was a lot of fun, was there because her ditzy persona was refreshing, and that Nicholas was just playing off of it. Anyway, it's interesting to revisit the early days. I used to think they had nothing on the Merton era, but Williams' wild personality (along with a paradoxically calmer overall show style) keeps me going back more often than I realized. Thanks for your posts.

 
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Espen KrømkeAug 25, 2014
 

 
Welcome to the group Jerry, and thanks for a great read!
Like Mark said, it's always fun to read observations and thoughts from
new fans.



Den 21. aug. 2014 21:17, skrev jerryvonkramer@... [just-a-minute]:

>
> Hello all,I am 31, soon to be 32. Up until about a week ago, I was a
> total JAM virgin. I had never listened to a single episode. Frank
> Skinner mentioned on his radio show that he had just been on JAM which
> was "something to tick off his bucket list". This led me, for whatever
> reason, just to look up the show. I was aware of it, but something
> piqued my curiosity. Then, I saw that Nicholas Parsons is 90(!) and
> has not missed a show since 1967. I did a few searches to see if I
> could find more info and to find some old episodes. And sure enough, I
> found Dean's wonderful site (surely everyone's first stop for JAM
> online) as well as a pile of old episodes on a download (I've already
> forgotten the source!).
>
> I am not one to do things by halves. I didn't just want to listen to
> the latest episode or dive in with the Merton era, I had to start at
> the beginning in 1967. Indeed, I have been listening to all the
> episodes from this download from th! e first one. I'm now just at the
> start of 1973. I thought I'd use this thread to track some
> observations as I continue this journey.
>
> - While Clement Freud seems to be the one who uses "every trick in the
> book", it's actually Derek Nimmo who is the more aggressive and
> sharper challenger. On the 60s shows, he seems like the most fierce
> competitor -- at times it is almost as if he is bullying the female
> guests with his near-constant haranguing.
>
> - The times when Nicholas is on the panel, I'm afraid, really
> highlights his limitations as a performer. At the same time though, it
> also shows how tough his job is: Clement is too strict as chairman,
> Kenneth is too lenient accepting every challenge.
>
> - Of the female participants thus far, Geraldine Jones has been far
> and away my favourite and perhaps also the best at the game.
> Wonderfully articulate woman who has a wit that goes under the radar.
> On the other hand, Nicholas's sucking up! to Aimi MacDonald is both
> cloying and cringe-worthy. Sheila Hancock is fiesty and gives Kenneth,
> especially, a run for his money, but I don't think she's as good at
> the game as Geraldine. Andree Melley has been too nondescript to make
> a real impression.
>
> - Kenneth Williams is not the same on the 1960s shows as he would be
> in the early 70s shows. It seems like it takes him some time to grow
> in confidence on the show, by 69 it's obvious that he's a fixture, but
> he's still quite reserved by his standards on those shows. There
> turning point, I would say, is Peter Jones's arrival. Listening to the
> shows in sequence, it is almost as if Jones being there flicks a
> switch in Kenneth. He becomes much much more adversarial, territorial
> almost. I do not know what it is about Jones that brought this out in
> him, but his performances in 1972-3 are borderline psychotic at times
> with his rants at Jones and at Nicholas. It's all in good humour, of
> course, and frequently very funny -- indeed, these shows are much
> funnier ! than the earlier shows -- but one gets the impression that
> Williams was also letting Jones know who was boss. I find this turn in
> Kenneth a bit puzzling because Peter seems like such a mild and good
> natured chap, but the difference in him after Jones's introduction is
> marked. It is unmistakable, I would say.
>
> - Speaking of Peter Jones, he is not at bad at the game as the various
> descriptions I've read make out. Does he get worse? While he's not
> been spectacular in terms of scoring points thus far, he's more than
> held his own. His put downs of Kenneth during their verbal sparring
> has been glorious. On one I was just listening to (Episode from
> 30/1/73), he brought the house down by saying he couldn't possibly
> know what the topic was from listening to Kenneth rabbiting on. Very
> funny.
>
> - Clement Freud seems to win every single game. His only real
> competition seemingly is Derek Nimmo. It seems to me that they mostly
> pair off Clement vs. Derek, Ke! nneth vs. Peter. Clement and Kenneth
> seem to have a tacit alliance. But all are united in their contempt
> for Nicholas.
>
> It's been interesting to see how the show has developed and changed in
> its first 5 years. I'm looking forward to getting to 2014 eventually.
> And I'll track my observations here as a I do.
>
>

 
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jerryvonkramerAug 29, 2014
 

 
I have now reached the end of 1970, which is the end of season 4 and then most of season 5. Geraldine Jones has gone, but Derek Nimmo is not yet off on his travels.

This stretch of shows provides the "missing link" between the early Kenneth and the Kenneth we find once Peter Jones turns up -- the change is much less sudden than I first thought, it is gradual. Over these shows he establishes several key tropes that he would repeat time and again:

1. Upon having a decision go his way: "Oh yes, a very good chairman, very good chairman" etc. This is pretty funny, because it can come either directly before or after ...

2. Upon having a decision not go his way: "It's a DISGRACE! etc." Kenneth's frequnet and flagrant double standards and hypocrisy are most entertaining. In these 1970 shows he's still more playful than he is aggressive, and it will be interesting to see whether or not the aggressive side ramps up when Peter Jones arrives in season 6, as I claimed in my initial post.

3. Claiming that he "plays for entertainment, not for points". He does this several times, provoking witty buzzes from Clement Freud who interjects with "he's not playing for points, I am". This is also funny because it will often come after a rant by Kenneth over a given point. The way he flits in and out of taking the game seriously adds to his overall sense of whimsy. One minute it's the most important thing on earth to win a point, next minute he doesn't care. Consummate showman.

4. Excessive prudishness. This is a hold over from many of his Carry On characters, but he'll frequently object to things that are "dirty", "filthy", "disgusting" and so on.

5. Playing up when Nicholas is trying to do a link and then getting scolded by Nicholas. This can be very funny too. "You are ridiculous sometimes Kenneth!"

6. Many silly voices and elongation of vowels. Sometimes these are so absurd that I can't help but laugh, it's almost as if he's disappearing into thin air or something, hilarious.

I think it's with this stretch of shows that Kenneth really establishes himself as a the star of the show. He's a constant presence, even when he's not talking, you can "feel" him there. Some other observations:

- Clement is a bit more playful at times during these shows, but also there are occasions where he's a bit difficult or tetchy. You can tell sometimes that he doesn't like it when a decision doesn't go his way and then he "strikes back" with a harsh challenge seconds later. Just as Kenneth feels like a constant presence, I think Clement does too -- you can "feel" him there as the arbiter of the proper rules and of the competitive spirit of the game. But as I said, more playfulness too -- he sometimes gives people points for free just for amusement, and occasionally does so to highlight some of Nicholas's glaring inconsistencies.

- Speaking of Nicholas, his sucking up to the female players is almost out of control on some of these. He's sometimes condescending and patronizing to them. Once in a while he throws out a compliment like "little blinder" that seems to go too far to me. I know he's trying to be nice to new players and some of this is because it was 1970, and not 2014, but I wonder if some of Nicholas's behaviour actually made the women feel more uncomfortable than they might have. He's trying to be "gallant" and accommodating, but frequently comes off like a total creep to me.

- Derek has settled into a nice rhythm. He's a tiny bit less aggressive than he is on the earlier shows, and his guffawing generally adds to a warm atmosphere. I also think that he acts as a great counterweight to both Clement and Kenneth. He takes the game as seriously as Clement and can be just as sharp or petty in the little challenges. At the same time, he's flamboyant, eccentric and a showman, so Kenneth doesn't dominate proceedings too much. His little ticks like "really", "what ho!", "awfully" and so on are quite endearing to. It's also pretty funny when he totally makes something up, gets called on it, keeps up the pretense of it being true for a moment before owning up. There's one where he claims to join some sort of Scottish regiment and Nicholas asks him to swear by his oath on it, and then he admits to making it up. It's a lot of fun, because he's a sort of Baron Munchausen character: you never quite know if his various yarns and travels are true.

- Of the women, Sheila Hancock is growing on me. I think Denise Coffey is a poor replacement for Geraldine Jones though, she sounds out of sync with the show. Of the newcomers, Jacqueline MacKenzie is hilarious, partly because she clearly doesn't know the game at all -- they give her a full minute during which she makes about 16 repetitions and no one challenges. There's also one with Liz Fraser or Katherine Whitehorn (can't remember which) when she's "getting into her stride" so Nick is very lenient with challenges, which produces a lot of funny moments too.

Onwards to 1971!

Incidentally, I bought the Just a Minute book by Nicholas Parsons on the weekend. Just done some light browsing so far, but some of his observations seem spot on to me.

 
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udpertAug 29, 2014
 

 
Great as always, Jerry. Agree with you on most points, although I like the old-school "gallant" Nicholas and don't find him off-putting. Kenneth's antics on the show really display what a brilliant humorist he could be; it's a shame he didn't have more film roles that could better showcase his talent. I do think he played for entertainment instead of points on JAM, but I think his comparative lack of challenges means that he talks less often then he might on some episodes; what seems to set him off most often is not that he fails to compete, but that someone interrupts his flow during a clever riff. Anyway, good trip through the past.

 
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jerryvonkramerAug 29, 2014
 

 
Just a quick correction: the hilarious woman I mentioned was Katherine Whitehorn, I got her and Jacqueline MacKenzie confused. All the women do tend to blur into one. I must try to keep special track of them when they stand out. Jacqueline MacKenzie, I *think* is the one is given a full minute to herself, because she was so bad. Whitehorn is more combative, although clearly doesn't know the game, so her challenges are quite funny.

 
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jerryvonkramerSep 2, 2014
 

 
I am going to switch from doing whole years to going season-by-season with my comments, because it seems to make more sense this way.

I got to the end of Season 5 today and the three-handed season finale (2nd March 71, first topic "Kenneth Williams"), is probably the single best and funniest episode I've listened to so far. Everyone is on top form, Derek has a perfect minute ("Funny Bones"), the banter is flying round at a frantic pace. The highlight of the episode is the topic "getting into debt" which takes about 7 or 8 minutes to get through and features Kenneth and Derek relentlessly baracking Nicholas over a decision as Freud chuckles to himself. I can't really do it justice here, but it's hilarious and well worth checking out if you've not heard that episode. Someone explains that when there's no women in the studio, the gloves come off. It descends into schoolboy antics, Nick even feigns crying at one point. Great stuff.

There's not much else on season 5 that I haven't noted already. The Barbara Castle episode came on again (which I heard in my initial false run), and she is definitely one of the more memorable female guests.

I did want to note Kenneth's little recurring character: "Maudie Fiddeworth, fun with a frankfurter!" Just find it amusing, quirky and rather odd that she keeps on coming up time and again. Does he keep her?

The only other thing I want to note is Derek Nimmo's common tactic of twisted the meaning of the phrase on the card. He does it sometimes in very imaginative ways, even when it is completely unnecessary.

For example, just from this past episode as it is fresh in my mind, this is on "Getting into debt":

"I bought a nice big house in the country and I called it 'Debt', and I'm looking forward to getting into it."

I'd say he pulls that trick maybe 50% of the time.

Oh and some noteworthy individual rounds:

From 26th January 71: Topic: "the worst thing I ever did in my kitchen" - Kenneth is talking about making cheese straws, Sheila doesn't believe him, so Nicholas goes to Kenneth's mother in the audience. Just thought it was an interesting little moment of Kenneth's real life being glimpsed on the show.

From 26th January 71. Topic: "pleasantries" - Derek starts off hilariously with his full range of ridiculous little phrases a la "what ho!", Derek is pretty funny in general in these early 1971 episodes, seems to hit top form.

From 16th February 71. Topic: "old gentlemen" - Kenneth does the whole thing in an extraordinary "old man" voice. It's very funny, but also not one from his usual repertoire and not one I can recall from the Carry On films either. Just an example of some of his extraordinary range.

From 2nd March 71. Topic: "Clement Freud" - notably as SOON as Derek mentions "grandfather", Clement buzzes and challenges and gets the topic to change. I've been waiting for some acknowledgement on the show  about his grandfather, but on every occasion it's brought up, something like this happens. He has studiously avoided mentioning him. I wonder if there's something to it.

 
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jerryvonkramerSep 5, 2014
 

 

I seemed to breeze through season 6. Thoughts as follows:

- There is undoubtedly a "turn" in Kenneth, but it is not as abrupt as I had first thought but more an "amping up" of what he'd been doing in season 5, just turned up to 11. At the start of season 6 he is truly manic, at times a crazed loon with Nicholas's cries of "SHUT UP KENNETH!" becoming much more frequent than previously. He's more savage to the female guests; with his "it's a disgrace! We should never have had  women on this show!" becoming more frequent as well. Kenneth really becomes the centre of attention during this season; I'm finding him a fascinating character to be honest. I like the way he has such standard reactions and catchphrases, it's like a layering of "in-jokes" for the show. But he's also supremely multi-faceted, knowledgeable about a range of subjects, a master of voices and accents, and -- very unusual for the radio -- his physicality seems somehow to transcend the medium, by which I mean you can somehow feel his animation and see his facial expressions, despite it being audio.

- All of that said, I think season 6 is overall slightly weaker than season 5. There are a number of reasons for this, but chief among them I think, is the absence of Derek Nimmo which starts being keenly felt after the first 4 or 5 episodes. Peter Jones does some to produce something in Kenneth, and he's a very likable presence in general (more in a moment on that), but he doesn't have the sheer force of personality that Derek has to act as a counter-weight to Kenneth.

- Another reason for season 6 being a slight dip after season 5 is the quality of the female guests. There's an awful lot of Andre Melley, who despite being quite experienced by this point, still doesn't really do much to put her head above the parapet. She's an okay player, she can be mildly amusing on occasion, but when she's on the show, she's always very definitely there as the "4th wheel" to make up the numbers -- like she's 6/10 in all things. Even in the season finale when she takes over as Chairman, it's not as if she really shines in the role. As I've said before, she's a poor man's Geraldine Jones.

- But on top of all that, the other female guests: Katherine Whitehorn, and the extremely flustered Juno Alexander, simply aren't as memorable as Barbara Castle or Jacqueline MacKenzie. Oh and Nicholas has one of his most excruciating shows with Aime MacDonald yet -- giving her FOURTEEN points during one round. Clement even joins in and is both remarkably sinister and creepy during it. I couldn't tell if he was deliberately sending up Nicholas by pushing the perviness to new heights, or just trying to have some fun, but the episode of December 28th 1971 is one of my least favourite so far because it is so centred on her. Clement accuses Aimi Macdonald of having a date lined up with Nicholas after the show, and there are some extended and smutty jokes from Nick insinuating that the two of them are sleeping together. As I've said before, I don't find it funny but cloying.

- All of that said, Sheila Hancock has really grown into the show now and is by far the best of the women during this season, and the shows featuring her are generally more fun than the others. I like the way she'll take Kenneth on, she'll call Clement on his dirtier tactics, and she bounces off Peter pretty well too.

- The first thing that struck me about Peter Jones was that he seems to be older than everyone else. He has a kind of strange mixture of stiffness and affability, and reminds me of an old English army officer or something like that. It seems like he's still very much finding his feet during season 6. Even by the final episodes, he's still making silly challenges on stuff like repetition of "also". I think Peter is supremely likable, there's just something about him that is endearing. He seems like he's slightly on his own planet. His voice carries the veneer of the old empire. It's fun when he gets into little arguments with Nicholas, or when he feels slighted by another player, although it doesn't happen too often during this season.

No further notes on individual episodes or rounds, which is perhaps telling that fewer things stood out to me during this season than during the last one. I think the slight dip is understandable given the replacement of Derek with Peter and the number of episodes with weak female guests. Kenneth is hilarious on some of these shows though, especially the first 3 or 4 -- he must have been in an especially funny mood during those recording sessions with Andree Melley, because he's a total nutter on them, almost psychotic!

Onwards to season 7.

 
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jerryvonkramerSep 19, 2014
 

 
Thoughts on season 7:

To me this felt like it was the time when everything was clicking and firing on all cylinders. The complete lack of "outside guests" helps to make the show feel really comfortable and established now. Everyone knows each other, and that means they can actually take more liberties and be more ruthless than they would if guests were on. Even Andre Melley seems to show more of her personality during this run.

- Kenneth has calmed down a bit from the excesses of his season 6 antics and picks his shots a bit more carefully. But he ramps up on some of his "we shouldn't have women on this show!" stuff and especially his "you great nit" abusive lines to Peter. He also demonstrates several more ridiculous accents, including an absurd Scottish one he busts out a few times. On one occasion I had the show on in the car and had to pull over because it was making me laugh so much.

- Aimi MacDonald was finally less annoying to me on these shows partly because Nicholas stopped patronising her so much and / or sucking up to her. He's more strict with his rulings even when she pouts and this makes Aimi altogether funnier I think -- we're getting to see what she's like now when she doesn't get her own way.

- The shows when it is all four men are just off-the-charts during this season. The banter is just flying around. The wit is sharp. Clement goes for the juggler with his attacks on Nick on a few occasions. Peter often delivers the killer one-liners. Then you get the extended back-and-forth duels of attrition between Clement and Derek. And the duels of showman one-man-ship between Derek and Kenneth with their array of silly slow or fast voices.

- Sheila has now really cemented herself as a regular and the shows where she's the 4th player are almost as good as those when it's Derek.

- Clement seems to win every single week during this season

*Special note*

In a review of a previous season I noted that Clement would seem to studiously avoid mentioning his grandfather, well, in one episode here he does talk about him, if only briefly on a challenge.

It's the show from 13th February. Here's the transcript from Dean's site:

NP: I had to deliberate in my mind, because I have to listen for so many things all at once. But er 13 seconds on Albert Einstein with you now Derek starting now.

DN: He also wrote a pot-boiler with a man called Mister Freud. It wasn't a very good book so...

BUZZ

NP: Clement Freud has challenged.

CF: Deviation.

NP: Why?

CF: It couldn't have been a Mister Freud. It could have been my grandfather who was Professor Freud, but not Mister.

SH: Oh was it when he was made a Professor? He was Mister before that.

CF: No, no, he was a Doctor...

DN: He was born a Professor, you see!

NP: When he wrote the book, he was not at that time Mister. I think he was...

DN: You can still call somebody Mister if they're Professor!

NP: Oh we can't deliberate on such a difficult situation. So we have to give the benefit of the doubt to Clement Freud and...

DN: How often do you talk about his grandfather as Professor Freud? Have you ever heard him called Professor Freud?

NP: No you usually refer to him as his Christian name.

SH: He's Freud!

DN: Freud!

SH: Freud!

NP: Sigmund Freud or Freud, yes. Ten seconds, with you Clement starting now.

 
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udpertSep 22, 2014
 

 
Great review as usual. One of my favorite periods of the show.