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Topic: 900?

Message 1 / 15
MarkSep 1, 2014
 
 
I apologise if this has been explained before, but I'm wondering how one can count next week's ep as the 900th episode of JAM (as announced at the end of today's show)?

The current count, according to my calculations, is 835.

P.S. My hardback copy of 'Welcome to JAM' arrived today. 
No nude photos of Nic, alas.

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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 2 / 15
DeanSep 2, 2014
 
 
It really depends what you count. Do we count just radio or include TV? If you do count TV, do you count the non-BBC ones? Do you include the Silver Minutes 25th anniversary clips show, and do you include the 40th anniversary clips programme? Do you include the Junior Just A Minutes? You can make cases for and against all of these, and if you look at my website I count them in several different ways.
 
But if you do include everything – radio, TV, Junior JAM and the two clips shows – this week’s show was the 899th and next week is the 900th.
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:14 PM
Subject: [just-a-minute] 900?
 
 

I apologise if this has been explained before, but I'm wondering how one can count next week's ep as the 900th episode of JAM (as announced at the end of today's show)?
 
The current count, according to my calculations, is 835.
 
P.S. My hardback copy of 'Welcome to JAM' arrived today.
No nude photos of Nic, alas.
 
--

Mark
JAM Jar - http://jamjar.nylon.net - see the JAM forum for login credentials
JAM forum - http://b9fx.com

 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 3 / 15
simonbkellySep 10, 2014
 
 
As with any long running show, episode numbers always become a bone of contention.

If we use Dean's episode guide as a reference, then there have been 837 "episodes" of JAM.
Dean has included the "Silver Minutes" specials (broadcast over 2 weeks on Radio 4) as 1 episode. When these were released on cassette, there were actually 4 parts to the show, although the last 2 parts were just clips from previous shows without any introductions or recollections from Nicholas in between. To reach the total of 900, though, I presume the BBC have counted the "Silver Minutes" specials as 1 episode.

To this, then, we must add the 28 episodes recorded in 1994 and 1995 for Carlton TV. These were only shown in the London ITV region, late at night (after the 10pm news), and are the hardest episodes to track down on video as they have never been repeated. This brings our total up to 865.

Add on the 20 episodes of the BBC TV series from 1999 (shown in the afternoon, around 12.30pm) and the total rises to 885.

Then there are the 10 episodes recorded in 2012 and shown on BBC2 in the early evening (6pm) which brings our total to 895.

Finally, there are the 5 episodes of Junior JAM recorded for The 4 O'Clock show and broadcast last year on Radio 4 Extra (at around 4.15pm each day). This brings us to the grand total of 900 JAMs (which, not surprisingly, was used as the opening subject for the 900th JAM).

Of course, Nicholas has NOT, as is often erroneously printed, "hosted" every episode. There are 9 episodes where he appears on the panel instead. 3 of these were hosted by Clement Freud, 3 by Kenneth Williams, 1 by Geraldine Jones, 1 by Andree Melee and 1 by Ian Messiter. The last episodes not presented by Nicholas were in 1983 so he has "hosted" every recorded episode since then!

There are at least 5 other notable recordings of JAM that were made for radio and/or TV that I'm aware of:

1969 - First BBC TV Pilot (untransmitted) featuring Kenneth Williams, Sheila Hancock and Clement Freud.
1978 - A short specially shot sequence for the BBC tv series, "Jim'll Fix It". Jimmy Savile fixes it for David Whalan to host an episode of "Just A Minute". Features Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Sheila Hancock and Ian Messiter. This is the only time JAM was recorded and broadcast without Nicholas !!!
1981 - Second BBC TV Pilot (untransmitted) featuring Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Patrick Moore.
2011 - Streamed live online on BBCi, with an edited broadcast the following week on BBC3 TV, this was a special charity edition for Children In Need. The panel were Lee Mack, Sheila Hancock, David Walliams and Tony Hawks.
2012 - Gardeners' Question Time meets Just A Minute. Another special in aid of BBC Children in Need. The panel of gardening experts were Eric Robson, Chris Beardshaw, Pippa Greenwood and Matthew Wilson.

So, if we count every known "recording" of JAM on radio and TV, I make it 905. If you split "Silver Minutes" into 2 parts, as broadcast, then it's 906. If you include the 2 "cassette only" parts (which didn't include any "new" material so they aren't really what you would call "episodes"), it's 908.

I can also recall several interviews with Nicholas over the years where he has included a round of JAM as part of the interview, but you couldn't really refer to those as JAM recordings.

If Nicholas continues making 27 episodes a year, we should hit the 1000 mark in 2018.

It's worth noting, though, that Nicholas has also included JAM as a part of his one-man stage shows over the years (although it's unlikely any of these were recorded), so he has probably been chairman on more than 1000 performances of the show already!

Simon
 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 4 / 15
Espen KrømkeSep 10, 2014
 
 
Den 10. sep. 2014 14:28, skrev simonbkelly@... [just-a-minute]:
>
> As with any long running show, episode numbers always become a bone of
> contention.
>
> If we use Dean's episode guide as a reference, then there have been
> 837 "episodes" of JAM.
>

As far as I am concerned, Deans guide is the definitive reference. When
in doubt, use Dean. That works on anything JAM.
 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 5 / 15
simonbkellySep 10, 2014
 
 
I agree, Epsen. However, the OP (Mark) arrived at a total of 835, so presumably wasn't including the 25th Anniversary or 40th Anniversary clips shows (which were actually 3 weeks worth of episodes in total) or any of the radio/tv spin-offs.

Of course, we still reach 900 excluding the anniversary specials, simply by adding on the two TV pilots. How the BBC arrived at the total of 900 is the big question. Did they just count what was on Dean's list (which adds up to 900) or did they use a different numbering system altogether?

Simon
 
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Topic: Re: 900?

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Josey SmithSep 10, 2014
 
 
My bet is that they used Dean's list.

On 10 Sep 2014, at 14:02, "simonbkelly@... [just-a-minute]" <just-a-minute@...> wrote:

 

I agree, Epsen. However, the OP (Mark) arrived at a total of 835, so presumably wasn't including the 25th Anniversary or 40th Anniversary clips shows (which were actually 3 weeks worth of episodes in total) or any of the radio/tv spin-offs.

Of course, we still reach 900 excluding the anniversary specials, simply by adding on the two TV pilots. How the BBC arrived at the total of 900 is the big question. Did they just count what was on Dean's list (which adds up to 900) or did they use a different numbering system altogether?

Simon


 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 7 / 15
Tony BaechlerSep 10, 2014
 
 
Simon and all,

It's interesting reading how we got to 900 episodes of JAM, but I think
there is something you're forgetting and I don't know if you would count it
as an episode or not. That was a short special (I think about five minutes)
on "What I like about BBC 7" with CF and others. I don't remember who the
others were at the moment, but Nicholas was host. Would this count as an
episode even though it was only one round and probably used as filler? I
had it in my archives once, but I probably don't now. I think the date was
some time in 2003, maybe as a one year anniversary of the launch of BBC 7
special. As I say, it was very short and wasn't meant as a serious JAM
episode, but was done in the same format with at least some of the regulars.
 
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Topic: Re: 900?

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simonbkellySep 11, 2014
 
 
BBC7 launched in December 2002, so it is certainly possible the filler you're thinking of was recorded in 2003. It would probably have been recorded on the same evening as one of the shows, like they did with the "Why I Love Just A Minute" clip that was added into the 40th anniversary special.

I'll add it to my list of "other notable JAM recordings" - something else for the JAM completists to track down...
 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 9 / 15
James R CurrySep 11, 2014
 
 
I have a copy.  I can upload it this evening, if anyone has any interest?

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:47 PM, simonbkelly@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:


BBC7 launched in December 2002, so it is certainly possible the filler you're thinking of was recorded in 2003. It would probably have been recorded on the same evening as one of the shows, like they did with the "Why I Love Just A Minute" clip that was added into the 40th anniversary special.

I'll add it to my list of "other notable JAM recordings" - something else for the JAM completists to track down...




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James R Curry

 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 10 / 15
simonbkellySep 14, 2014
 
 
James, is this the special round recorded for Radio 7's 7th birthday in 2009 or is it an earlier recording as alluded to by Tony?

I found a recording featuring Paul Merton, Charles Collingwood, Josie Lawrence and Chris Neill that would have been made in 2009 on the same evening that Series 56 Episodes 2 and 5 were recorded. The special round was entitled simply "Radio 7". It doesn't feature Clement Freud as he had passed away earlier that year but then he did appear in the 40th anniversary special in 2007 talking about "Why I Love Just A Minute", another special round that was recorded on the same evening as Series 52, Episodes 2 and 9.
 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 11 / 15
Tony BaechlerSep 15, 2014
 
 
What I'm remembering and the 2009 round you're referring to could well be
the same, but I don't think so. I really don't remember who was in it, but
I think there were at least two of the regulars. The subject sounds
familiar, so we could well be referring to the same thing. I was assuming
it was a first anniversary show, but it could have been from any year. I
know for certain that it was before the name change to Radio 4 Extra. I
thought I remembered particular people being in it, but I could well be
mistaken.

On 2014-09-14 02:13 AM, simonbkelly@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> James, is this the special round recorded for Radio 7's 7th birthday in 2009
> or is it an earlier recording as alluded to by Tony?
>
> I found a recording featuring Paul Merton, Charles Collingwood, Josie
> Lawrence and Chris Neill that would have been made in 2009 on the same
> evening that Series 56 Episodes 2 and 5 were recorded. The special round was
> entitled simply "Radio 7". It doesn't feature Clement Freud as he had passed
> away earlier that year but then he did appear in the 40th anniversary
> special in 2007 talking about "Why I Love Just A Minute", another special
> round that was recorded on the same evening as Series 52, Episodes 2 and 9.
>
>


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Have a good day,
Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...

 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 12 / 15
James R CurrySep 15, 2014
 
 
It was the 7th birthday round that I have.  Definitely before the name change.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Tony Baechler tony.baechler@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
What I'm remembering and the 2009 round you're referring to could well be
the same, but I don't think so.  I really don't remember who was in it, but
I think there were at least two of the regulars.  The subject sounds
familiar, so we could well be referring to the same thing.  I was assuming
it was a first anniversary show, but it could have been from any year.  I
know for certain that it was before the name change to Radio 4 Extra.  I
thought I remembered particular people being in it, but I could well be
mistaken.

On 2014-09-14 02:13 AM, simonbkelly@... [just-a-minute] wrote:
>
>
> James, is this the special round recorded for Radio 7's 7th birthday in 2009
> or is it an earlier recording as alluded to by Tony?
>
> I found a recording featuring Paul Merton, Charles Collingwood, Josie
> Lawrence and Chris Neill that would have been made in 2009 on the same
> evening that Series 56 Episodes 2 and 5 were recorded. The special round was
> entitled simply "Radio 7". It doesn't feature Clement Freud as he had passed
> away earlier that year but then he did appear in the 40th anniversary
> special in 2007 talking about "Why I Love Just A Minute", another special
> round that was recorded on the same evening as Series 52, Episodes 2 and 9.
>
>


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Tony Baechler
mailto:tony.baechler@...


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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 13 / 15
DeanSep 21, 2014
 
 
I begin by saying what should be obvious – there are several ways you can count things. It depends on what you are counting. And you are very welcome to count whatever it is you want to! Really you are!
 
Also while numbers have the sound of certainty, they often aren’t. An example. Let’s say you moved into your house four years and 10 months ago, and I asked you how many years you’ve been in your house. Would you say “four years” or round it up to “five years”. It’s statistically acceptable to round up, but it isn’t entirely accurate, is it. And then what if I said to you “how old are you?” If you were 39 years and 10 months old, would you say 39 – or round up to 40?
 
I can add quite a few things to Simon’s list of shows to be added, if we are counting “recordings”.
 
* I have two recordings from Edinburgh in the early 90s when they played JAM every day with Tony Slattery and Graham Norton as regulars - it gets a mention in Nicholas’s book.
* And what about this – a recording of JAM a few years ago at Edinburgh which featured Nicholas, Paul, Gyles, Jenny and Scott Mills that was never broadcast on the radio.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009hlyf Even the whistleblower of the time, Sarah Sharpe is involved in this one!
* There was at least one Royal Variety show that featured a JAM game with the old gang of four and Nicholas, and who knows, maybe more.
* What about the recording that featured Paul, Gyles, Sheila, Marcus, Nicholas and Clive Anderson which they recorded as promos for Radio Four Extra. There was an audience and am ex-JAM producer John Lloyd was in charge of it.
* What about the ep of Have I Got News For You which Nicholas guest hosted where they played JAM for five minues?
* What about the recording of the Linda Smith tribute after she died where they played JAM for quarter of an hour?
* What about the piece they did on the Indian love of JAM in 2012... that included several bits of the game being played.
* What about the many I’m Sorry I Haven’t A Clues where they’ve played the game?
* And what about this, broadcast on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMSEhBY82SA – if you look through video sharing sites you can see quite a few examples of ämateur”productions of JAM.
* And if we are counting up recordings, why restrict ourselves to the UK? Ian Messiter ran the game for many years in South Africa. Even used the Just A Minute name. What about the Swedish version, Pa Minuten http://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/P%C3%A5_minuten which has been running almost as long as the UK version? And if we include these what about One Minute Please, JAM’s forerunner which had the same rules except that it was played a male v female team game.
* And then what about the time me and some friends played the game and recorded it. We even rigged up some buzzers!
* And I haven’t yet mentioned that controversial untransmitted show from 1969 when a show was abandoned partway through a recording.
 
All in all, if we include “every recording”, we have well and truly passed 1000 and are probably getting close to 2000. Or on the other hand, you could get less than 900 by just counting one recording if they record two shows on one night.
 
So – and I say it again – you can get almost any number you like, depending on  what you count. And – again - it really is up to you what you want to count.
 
Here’s what I think is worth counting.
 
One – it makes sense to count apples as apples and pears as pears. I think the sensible thing is to count JAM radio shows and JAM TV shows and Junior Just A Minute shows all separately. And within the radio shows, I’d separate out the highlights shows. If I was the producer of JAM, I think I’d just count the radio shows if I was wanting to mark a “hundred” anniversary.
 
Two – I don’t count shows where they played the game for a few minutes as part of another show. I’m counting shows which stand alone as Just A Minute. Because the problem is it adds in almost anything. If we count Jim’ll Fix It, why not The One Show ep of a few years ago when Nicholas, Gyles and Tony Hawks played it for a few minutes. And if we count that, why not the countless occasions when Nicholas in particular has been asked to play it in an interview.
 
Three – I’m also not counting shows that were not broadcast in their entirety on either radio or TV. Untransmitted shows don’t count if we are talking about something where the reason for making it is to be broadcast.
 
Put JAM aside and consider say Dads Army. I think if you asked someone “how many episodes of Dads Army were made”, most people would say 80 – the number of TV shows – rather than automatically add in the 67 radio shows. But even if your answer would be 147... would you really add in things like Morecambe and Wise or the Royal Variety Shows where Arthur Lowe and the cast appeared in costume and in character. Perhaps if you were an obsessed fan – like me – you would be interested in trying to have a complete list of these, but I think these aren’t episodes of Dads Army.
 
But – I do think that it counts for something to add JAM on radio, JAM on TV and Junior Just A Minute together in the sense of being able to answer questions like “how many times has Nicholas Parsons appeared on Just A Minute?” You could separate everything out but it will still be meaningful to say Nicholas has chaired the broadcast show for the 900th time (when that does happen!).
 
For anyone not yet bored with this topic, ( I don’t blame you if you are because I am) I have also written about it recently on the blog. http://justaminutesite.blogspot.co.nz/2014/09/900-and-other-figures.html
 
So again – count what you like, but I hope I’ve tried to explain what I would count. And it’s interesting that the BBC came to the same figure.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [just-a-minute] 900?
 
 

As with any long running show, episode numbers always become a bone of contention.

If we use Dean's episode guide as a reference, then there have been 837 "episodes" of JAM.
Dean has included the "Silver Minutes" specials (broadcast over 2 weeks on Radio 4) as 1 episode. When these were released on cassette, there were actually 4 parts to the show, although the last 2 parts were just clips from previous shows without any introductions or recollections from Nicholas in between. To reach the total of 900, though, I presume the BBC have counted the "Silver Minutes" specials as 1 episode.

To this, then, we must add the 28 episodes recorded in 1994 and 1995 for Carlton TV. These were only shown in the London ITV region, late at night (after the 10pm news), and are the hardest episodes to track down on video as they have never been repeated. This brings our total up to 865.

Add on the 20 episodes of the BBC TV series from 1999 (shown in the afternoon, around 12.30pm) and the total rises to 885.

Then there are the 10 episodes recorded in 2012 and shown on BBC2 in the early evening (6pm) which brings our total to 895.

Finally, there are the 5 episodes of Junior JAM recorded for The 4 O'Clock show and broadcast last year on Radio 4 Extra (at around 4.15pm each day). This brings us to the grand total of 900 JAMs (which, not surprisingly, was used as the opening subject for the 900th JAM).

Of course, Nicholas has NOT, as is often erroneously printed, "hosted" every episode. There are 9 episodes where he appears on the panel instead. 3 of these were hosted by Clement Freud, 3 by Kenneth Williams, 1 by Geraldine Jones, 1 by Andree Melee and 1 by Ian Messiter. The last episodes not presented by Nicholas were in 1983 so he has "hosted" every recorded episode since then!

There are at least 5 other notable recordings of JAM that were made for radio and/or TV that I'm aware of:

1969 - First BBC TV Pilot (untransmitted) featuring Kenneth Williams, Sheila Hancock and Clement Freud.
1978 - A short specially shot sequence for the BBC tv series, "Jim'll Fix It". Jimmy Savile fixes it for David Whalan to host an episode of "Just A Minute". Features Kenneth Williams, Peter Jones, Sheila Hancock and Ian Messiter. This is the only time JAM was recorded and broadcast without Nicholas !!!
1981 - Second BBC TV Pilot (untransmitted) featuring Kenneth Williams, Clement Freud, Peter Jones and Patrick Moore.
2011 - Streamed live online on BBCi, with an edited broadcast the following week on BBC3 TV, this was a special charity edition for Children In Need. The panel were Lee Mack, Sheila Hancock, David Walliams and Tony Hawks.
2012 - Gardeners' Question Time meets Just A Minute. Another special in aid of BBC Children in Need. The panel of gardening experts were Eric Robson, Chris Beardshaw, Pippa Greenwood and Matthew Wilson.

So, if we count every known "recording" of JAM on radio and TV, I make it 905. If you split "Silver Minutes" into 2 parts, as broadcast, then it's 906. If you include the 2 "cassette only" parts (which didn't include any "new" material so they aren't really what you would call "episodes"), it's 908.

I can also recall several interviews with Nicholas over the years where he has included a round of JAM as part of the interview, but you couldn't really refer to those as JAM recordings.

If Nicholas continues making 27 episodes a year, we should hit the 1000 mark in 2018.

It's worth noting, though, that Nicholas has also included JAM as a part of his one-man stage shows over the years (although it's unlikely any of these were recorded), so he has probably been chairman on more than 1000 performances of the show already!

Simon


 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 14 / 15
amrobilal77Oct 10, 2014
 
 


Not sure this has gone through... Trying once more. Sorry if you get it twice.


Hello Dean and all,

 

Dean said: “* And I haven’t yet mentioned that controversial untransmitted show from 1969 when a show was abandoned partway through a recording.”

 

What is the story of this recording please? Do you have a link for more details? I’m intrigued.

 

Amro


 
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Topic: Re: 900?

Message 15 / 15
Josey SmithOct 11, 2014
 
 
I was wondering the same thing!

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM, amrobilal77@... [just-a-minute] <just-a-minute@...> wrote:
 


Not sure this has gone through... Trying once more. Sorry if you get it twice.


Hello Dean and all,

 

Dean said: “* And I haven’t yet mentioned that controversial untransmitted show from 1969 when a show was abandoned partway through a recording.”

 

What is the story of this recording please? Do you have a link for more details? I’m intrigued.

 

Amro



 
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